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Joker – Torrents to streamable video

by bmaeser on 10/28/14, 2:01 PM with 158 comments

  • by wmt on 10/28/14, 3:46 PM

    What's the catch? I have a few trust issues when someone wants to pay his own money to give me access to mostly illegal content.

    Somebody just spent time making a torrent streaming service, and is now paying for the bandwidth it takes to download that torrent content AND to upload it to your browser. What I could quickly see about the service is that the facebook "app" of it doesn't have too many users[1], dyn.com[2] handles the site DNS (not free) and redstation.com[3] hosts the service (not free).

    [1] https://developers.facebook.com/tools/explorer/?method=GET&p...

    [2] http://who.is/whois/joker.org

    [3] http://tools.pingdom.com/ping/?target=149.3.133.138&o=1

  • by mbesto on 10/28/14, 4:27 PM

    I do exactly this with Put.io - (1) get magnet link (2) stream on the browser and (3) push out to chromecast on my TV. No downloading ever.

    My understanding of "how is this legal" is the following - the server and server admin has no keys to the data so it would be impossible for them to do DMCA. Put.io has been around for a long time now so I'm pretty sure they've cleared the legal hurdles already.

  • by denisnazarov on 10/28/14, 3:01 PM

    This is not actually p2p. Check out https://github.com/feross/webtorrent. Hoping to hear feross' input.
  • by kristofferR on 10/28/14, 2:50 PM

    Damn, it's awesome that bandwidth has become this cheap.

    This isn't a torrent client in your browser, the server actually does the torrenting for you and then streams the file to you as it's downloading on the server.

  • by Sami_Lehtinen on 10/28/14, 3:46 PM

    In Finland it's totally legal to watch streamed pirated content. But the streamer (source) will get quite likely get sued and pay a lot.
  • by geekymartian on 10/28/14, 4:46 PM

    This is cute, but I will continue using peerflix : https://github.com/mafintosh/peerflix . Loads way faster and is not hosted/tracked (besides the obvious p2p interaction). And I don't have to see ads.
  • by hotgoldminer on 10/28/14, 2:54 PM

    What are the legal ramifications of streaming pirated content? Could you cache popular content to preserve downstream traffic? Or is that the loophole? This plus content aggregation/browsing.. hmm..
  • by bmaeser on 10/28/14, 3:42 PM

    developer of joker.org joined comments on product hunt: http://www.producthunt.com/posts/joker
  • by digital-rubber on 10/28/14, 4:21 PM

    Somehow i predict this site will not live long. Mainly because of the legal implications.

    If it does live long, i might start to wonder if this is some RIAA like honeypot system to have users report where they get their torrent downloads from by sharing the links directly.

    Just my penny.

  • by caractacus on 10/28/14, 2:39 PM

    Tried an mkv from NYAA: no go, format not supported (loads to 100% but then gives the error)

    Different mkv from Kickass: format not supported (without loading, apparently, though I wonder if it's cached given that it was Guardians of the Galaxy)

    TV episode of Gotham: same as for previous

    Something is happening because it says e.g. 'Gotham' in the top and retrieves a nice faded background of the cast but I keep getting 'format not supported'

    EDIT: seems to be my browser or connection; trying a different machine on a different IP and it works very nicely and quickly indeed.

  • by Phogo on 10/28/14, 2:29 PM

    Wow, that was easy and actually worked flawlessly.

    Could you provide us with a little info on the technologies behind it?

  • by Mendim on 10/28/14, 2:46 PM

    IT saves the torrents in host.i checked an video.the site maybe will be suspended because is hosted ilegaly contents

    http://v4.joker.org/v/d027a2418e34d040f015a75376d627c0a022e2...

  • by colinramsay on 10/28/14, 2:39 PM

    This worked really well for me after a few seconds of stuttering at the start. Looking at the network requests, it's streaming from an MP4 file on the server which I guess is being fed by the torrent. But doesn't it effectively mean that this site is hosting the MP4 of potentially illegal content - even if just a few seconds of it? Or even as just a container for it?
  • by fredley on 10/28/14, 3:06 PM

  • by afro88 on 10/28/14, 2:58 PM

    Anyone know how this would work in Germany? They're incredibly strict on torrents here (you can torrent one movie and get a letter in the mail 2 weeks later). This seems like it would be a nice workaround... While it lasts
  • by paul9290 on 10/28/14, 5:30 PM

    With all the streaming sites out there that let you watch ALL your favorite TV shows and the latest movies, I never understood the lure of PopCorn Time and this type of site?

    With both Popcorn Time and this tool (site) I could receive a copyright infringement notice. While the streaming sites that stream the latest from the Pirate Bay & more are liable. Further, by the letter of the law, me watching these streams is perfectly legal; no copyright notice will be received.

    Maybe the streaming sites I speak of are not well known or not openly spoken about because they'll get shut down?

  • by interdrift on 10/28/14, 2:53 PM

    What if the data isn't a video.Does every format have a header which provides that it's actually a video?I assume it works through a stream feeding it with data at a time and then decoding it?
  • by jmbmxer on 10/28/14, 7:26 PM

    I work in security and have been running into more and more issues with these types of Torrent streaming services. People at work mostly know that downloading a BitTorrent client, seeding, leeching, etc. is bad but they have no idea that these streaming applications are doing the same exact thing behind the scenes. They just see it as a way to watch free movies. Keep your employees informed about this and tighten up your policies because DMCA laws apply.
  • by daddykotex on 10/28/14, 3:02 PM

    Very impressive, it worked flawlessly for me with a randomly picked torrent. The file was an MP4.

    Good job, I hope you find a way to make it stick around!

  • by h43k3r on 10/28/14, 3:57 PM

    I am thinking of starting a project similar to this for DC++. DC++ is pretty popular in many of the indian universities intranet networks for sharing files/music/videos(I know its illegal, but no one cares about it here in India because very weak laws) . Anyone having any inputs on this?
  • by omgmog on 10/28/14, 4:30 PM

    Tested with Big Buck Bunny and it seems to work nice enough.

    http://distribution.bbb3d.renderfarming.net/video/mp4/bbb_su...

  • by Patrick_Devine on 10/28/14, 2:48 PM

    Didn't have time to look through the DOM. Is this a javascript torrent client? I think there was one out there in the wild before, but I'm not sure how good it was. I always thought if there was a simple JS torrent library out there, Bit torrent could make a comeback.
  • by tomphoolery on 10/28/14, 4:08 PM

    Noticed "Inception" was much easier to stream than "200 Motels", and the laserdisc version didn't even work. How in the hell does this thing work? It's pretty awesome, once the movie actually downloads. :)

    Seems like there's some caching going on. Good idea.

  • by mk00 on 10/28/14, 2:39 PM

    Worked beautifully for me, including loading at different points. Very nice.
  • by anilshanbhag on 10/28/14, 7:20 PM

    This service is very good. You can watch pretty much any video (not a movie - that's piracy you know) as if it were hosted on Youtube. Scrolling is smooth and almost instantaneous load time.
  • by jokoon on 10/28/14, 4:09 PM

    I remember watching some video of bram cohen in his lab, where he was actually making some p2p video client.

    I guess what he's working on at this moment... I guess nothing ?

  • by taneem on 10/28/14, 3:50 PM

    What's the difference between this and Popcorn Time?
  • by Aissen on 10/28/14, 4:51 PM

    So this is basically put.io, but free ?
  • by notax on 10/28/14, 8:03 PM

    Doesn't seem to work. I get an error on any torrent I try, regardless of source or video format.
  • by maram on 10/28/14, 4:38 PM

    Wow! this is very simple and easy to use!! I wonder for how long it will be available..
  • by IkmoIkmo on 10/28/14, 3:46 PM

    Wow that was smooth as butter... Am I unique or is everyone getting speed like this?
  • by kumarharsh on 10/28/14, 3:25 PM

    It seems there is another issue: Some of the torrent videos don't play at all.
  • by neogenix on 10/28/14, 3:39 PM

    Does it support ChromeCast?
  • by bluehazed on 10/28/14, 2:41 PM

    Worked fantastic. Awesome.
  • by foobarqux on 10/28/14, 4:06 PM

    iflix.io, which did the exact same thing (in fact I think it is the same code base), closed after a few days because it is not sustainable to do the downloading on behalf of the client.
  • by atmosx on 10/28/14, 3:47 PM

    Is this open source? Can I download/install this to my VPS?!
  • by manish_gill on 10/28/14, 3:34 PM

    I wonder how this will work with Private Trackers?
  • by Jamie452 on 10/28/14, 2:54 PM

    Seeking seems super fast, I'm impressed!
  • by Codename47tr on 10/28/14, 3:46 PM

    Even works perfect on my ipad, amazing
  • by drdoooom on 10/28/14, 2:46 PM

    this is really great, worked better than i anticipated. maybe a xbmc addon in the future!
  • by JCJoverTCP on 10/28/14, 4:55 PM

    dont torrent chunks show up out of order?
  • by baldfat on 10/28/14, 3:40 PM

    So a ton of links and stories are removed from Hacker News based on???? But a service that stream pirated material is fine?