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Chaos Computer Club Supports Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden

by hukl on 8/25/14, 2:25 PM with 51 comments

• by eik3_de on 8/25/14, 3:12 PM

  From the ccc website[1]:

  > Donations

  > We gladly accept any donation, even considerable sums.

  Bank account of the CCC e. V.:

  Chaos Computer Club e. V.

  IBAN DE41 2001 0020 0599 0902 01

  BIC PBNKDEFF

  [1] http://www.ccc.de/en/membership

• by ameister14 on 8/25/14, 4:50 PM

  I don't really understand supporting Chelsea Manning, or equating her plight with Snowden's.

  Snowden had a purpose and a plan, and executed it while attempting to keep people from getting hurt. Chelsea Manning lashed out at an army that didn't support her and put her in the wrong position. The military may have mistreated her, but they're still not the same thing.

• by kbenson on 8/25/14, 4:39 PM

  I had to look up Chelsea Manning. I was aware from the news that Bradley Manning had issues with gender, but wasn't aware he had changed his gender association. What's considered the current best way to describe this, that Bradley Manning released the documents (past tense) and now Chelsea Manning needs support (present tense), or that Chelsea Manning released documents and now needs support? The first way feels like it's more useful for expressing the situation to those that lived through it, but may be ignoring the identity of the person in question. Referring to the person through the later moniker in all instances may be confusing to those that miss the change as it happens, but may be less confusing to future generations.

  I guess this isn't new though, we have Cassius Clay / Muhammad Ali.

• by sneak on 8/25/14, 3:27 PM

  Presumably, this now means anyone providing significant material support to the CCC can find themselves on the US's shitlist, no?

• by kghose on 8/25/14, 4:57 PM

  Do they support Pussy Riot and the Falung Gong? Or are they only interested in folks who reveal US secrets and work against the US government?