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Share: The Icon No One Agrees On

by lominming on 6/11/14, 9:58 PM with 160 comments

  • by ggchappell on 6/11/14, 10:48 PM

    The problem that comes before this one is whether share is a well-understood action.

    If I "share" via e-mail, then I transmit a document to others. After this, each recipient has a separate copy which, thereafter, is completely out of my control.

    If I "share" via social network, then I upload a document. This makes a single copy, accessible to previously chosen people. It is (depending on the social network) somewhat under my control. Others can comment on it.

    If I "share" via something like Dropbox, then I make the document accessible to others. No copy is made. If I share via URL, then I give read access. If I make a shared folder, then I give both read and write access.

    Now, we techies know these are different things. Our mental model of non-technical users' thinking might suggest that, to them, these are all the same kind of action.

    But are they?

    Does an average non-technical user think of folder sharing, Facebook posts, and e-mail messages as the same category of action? I'm not sure he does.

  • by mrtksn on 6/12/14, 12:40 AM

    This is particularly interesting article because they have the answer to the question on the bottom of the page: http://i.imgur.com/0NdMB4S.png

    The share icons are Facebook, Twitter and Google+ logos. The share icon that nobody agrees to is actually just the icon that is going to reveal the interface of the actual share icons.

    I think that users don't want to share, they want to post on facebook, tweet or do the thing that people on google+ do(sorry, never used it) because the context of the thing that you are going to share is often appropriate to one of these and the reflex of the user is something like "I should post this on facebook so that my friends see it" or like "I should tweet this so that my audience sees it".

    You can't find the logo for the share icon because the action is fundamentally something else. I don't know, maybe the button that will open the interface for the sharing buttons should just represent the logos of the services available.

  • by robert_tweed on 6/12/14, 12:25 AM

    Apple gets this spot on by having an icon represent the action actually being performed, i.e., sending some information somewhere. That could be to yourself (a bookmark) to another person, a group of people, or the public at large. It doesn't really matter.

    Many of the others are trying to represent the abstract concept of "sharing", which doesn't fit the use case at all. That's why those icons don't make any sense. Others are representing specific technical concepts like graphs that again, only make sense for certain specific uses and aren't especially intuitive.

    In many ways, it makes sense to outsource this kind of design to someone that doesn't speak any English and run the brief through a translator. That way you're forced to explain the concept that the icon needs to represent, instead of having the icon represent the English word that happens to be (perhaps wrongly) attached to the concept.

    Distilling the concept down to an arrow pointing outwards to represent sending something is the kind of minimalist, universally intuitive design that Apple are often brilliant at. Approaching the design task like an engineering task is likely to lead to this as the optimal solution. I find it endlessly interesting that good designers tend to do this intuitively, in spite of not thinking anything like Engineers, whereas Engineers tend to do the opposite if forced to do design.

  • by zippergz on 6/11/14, 11:03 PM

    It seems like "just pick something arbitrary and everyone agree on it" is a better solution than "find a small simple icon that effectively evokes 'share' to a brand new user." In other words, this is confusing not because the icons don't represent sharing well enough, but because they're different on every platform. There are lots of things on computers that aren't immediately obvious, but once you learn the convention, you don't forget it. I don't care which one we use, but we need to be consistent. (Ok, not the milkshake.)
  • by kbutler on 6/11/14, 11:00 PM

    Rather than "Share", read the action as "Send to".

    This clarifies the author's preference for icons with the arrows, fits with the usual mix of upload/post-to-social-app/open-in-other-app actions, and removes the motivation for the somewhat out-of-place milkshake icon.

    (You can keep the 'share' label for marketing purposes if you want...)

  • by ripter on 6/11/14, 10:25 PM

    Upload and Share tend to be the same thing for most users. You want this on that. I don't think it's coincidence that the share icon looks like an upload icon in iOS7.
  • by morsch on 6/11/14, 10:40 PM

    I think the Android icons are fine. The old one is a bit easier to understand due to the explicit arrow direction, but the new one is implicitly directed correctly for people who are trained to read left to right. It's abstract and consequently vague, but I don't think that's a big problem: I expect there to be a share functionality, and in that context the icon is easy enough to understand.

    The new Apple icon is less abstract, but it does seem to scream upload/send to server, which is also a function I might expect in similar situations as a share function; I think the old one is better because it points to the side signifying communication towards a peer.

    The Windows 8 one is fine, easily understandable in context for the same reasons as the new Android one, but it lacks any semblance of directionality. It's a bit hilarious that it's almost identical to the Ubuntu icon.

    The other two are terrible and I probably wouldn't expect them to signify sharing even in a context where I'd expect the functionality.

    Edit: Of course I am an Android user so this may just be (confirmation?) bias at work. :)

  • by Kequc on 6/12/14, 4:00 PM

    I've never used a "share" button if I could avoid it and so haven't thought about what the icon should look like. The concept probably doesn't have a good icon because the concept itself is one born out of laziness and ineptitude on the part of users.

    If I want to share something on Twitter I'll use Twitter. If I want to share something on Google+ I'll use Google+. Why should I be expected to try interacting with those services through Javascript or any other third party application that needs to authenticate?

    I just have a bookmark. Google+, bam. Twitter, bam.

    My phone uploads all photos to Google+ whenever it finds Wifi and if I want to share a photo it's because I'm using Google+ at that moment. I don't need to share photos from anywhere, at most I generally need to export photos.

    But the share button has become to ubiquitous that now it seems to have taken the place of export in iPhoto, as an example. I need to navigate menus to find the export option.

    I don't need functionality spelled out for me while I'm using a computer like it was something designed by Fisher Price. If I want to send an email I'll start composing an email. If I want to share something on Google+ I'll go use that application.

    iPhoto doesn't have an upload to Google+ option, in the case that I'm trying to manage photos from my digital camera. Which brings up another problem, which is that Facebook and Apple are in each other's pockets. Once these share buttons are ubiquitous then companies when they feel like it omit options.

  • by epmatsw on 6/11/14, 10:52 PM

    Is there a meaningful difference between share and upload any more? "I have something on my device, I want to put it somewhere else" is how that icon is used in iOS and OSX, and for almost all of my use cases, that seems to be correct.
  • by radley on 6/11/14, 10:44 PM

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Share_icon

    The Android share icon has been around since (at least?) 2006 and was used a lot on websites, particularly Wordpress-based sites.

    It was initially open source but then sold Share This and trademarked. Most services use the icon shape without ST's green button background.

  • by thrush on 6/11/14, 11:43 PM

    I think the milkshake is a step in the right direction. Many other popular icons (envelope for e-mail, key for authentication, gear for changing inner working aka settings) borrow from a non-digital analogy, and I think that's what the author was trying to represent with the milkshake. The milkshake unfortunately does not quite meet the analogy. When you share content, you are not sharing something that is limited physically (like a toy, food, or drink). Rather you are spreading the word about a piece of information. Two more accurate representation that I can think of would be one person whispering into another's ear (for DM), or a person on a podium like he/she is giving a speech (for broadcast).
  • by lclemente on 6/11/14, 10:16 PM

    As an Apple user, everytime I see Android's share button I think of the Steam icon (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steam_logo.svg).
  • by probablyfiction on 6/11/14, 10:10 PM

    I vote for a megaphone of some type
  • by saganus on 6/11/14, 10:51 PM

    I'm just thinking out loud here, but after reading the Milkshake concept, I thought that maybe the problem is in the word "share" as the driving concept and not the icon per se.

    In terms of the milkshake, that's the perfect icon. You actually share something when you stop having "a whole" and now you have "a part" but then someone else has "a part" as well. That's what I've seen parent teach their kids over and over again. Sharing the ball: we both use it, share your candy we both enjoy it, even if it means I'll have less.

    With electronic articles and other media that gets shared, you actually share nothing in that sense, you just let someone know about it, whilst still keeping the whole yourself.

    I know that semantically you can also "share information", and you lose nothing by doing it. But my point is that maybe most people associate sharing with "losing a bit to give to someone else" instead of just "letting know".

    I am thinking hard and haven't come up with a better word, I admit it, but maybe there is actually a better word for describing that "electronic share" action?

    The bullhorn looks promising, but like someone said, it looks like an axe is too small. And also someone else said it would have to be different enough from a volume icon.

    Maybe two hands apart, one with a piece of "the whole" and the other hand with the other piece?

    In that regard I liked the Android icon a lot, even though it's a bit too abstract. But it conveys the idea that you just multiplied the information, without losing anything yourself. Maybe a diagram of an "information bus" could work? like a straight horizontal line with a perpendicular line protuding from it, indicating that you keep going but still produced a new path/road/source?

    Edit: added clarification

  • by eitally on 6/12/14, 6:38 AM

    I'm perfectly ok with the Android icon, which looks different from just about everything else and is easy to remember once learned. The Apple icon looks too generic, and there are already way too many icons that look document-ish. The Windows icon looks too much like Ubuntu to me, and it additionally isn't intuitive that a circular icon means sharing. The Dropbox & Google Apps icons are great, but are also large and wouldn't necessarily be easy to distill down into a square, single color representation.

    By far my biggest pet peeve re:action icons these days are the Android copy/paste icons. Here's a screenshot I found: http://i.stack.imgur.com/87bDm.png (pardon the annotations -- I found it in a Stackexchange thread).

    I challenge anyone to tell me what each one does (without testing first).

  • by nob on 6/11/14, 11:47 PM

    I think this one is easy. We take the RSS icon and use it for sharing instead. Such a waste to have such a good icon only be used for such a specific data stream.
  • by busterc on 6/12/14, 4:55 AM

    Just yesterday, while developing a Cordova hybrid app intended to target iOS, Android & Windows Phone 8, this very notion became unsettlingly apparent for me. BTW, http://icons8.com is a great place to do icon recon.

    Personally, I like the iOS 6 icon over the iOS 7 version. They're almost the same, except the new one places too much emphasis on "up." For example, when using the Meme Producer app and you want to save the picture to your photo library, the app uses the iOS 7 "action" icon but it feels awkward to then immediately go to the "download" icon to actually save. http://i.imgur.com/YtVd5WZ.jpg

  • by Pxtl on 6/12/14, 1:50 AM

    I'd think an arrow to the world would be the right icon, at least if you're doing a "publicize". I think grouping email in with other forms of broadcasting is part of the problem. I'd like to see two icons - one for "broadcast" which would be arrow-to-world (for FB/Twitter/Instagram/etc), and one for "send to a person" which would be an email-like letter icon, (for direct-messaging, emails, SMS, etc). While it may be similar to us developers, to a user the idea of "share" vs "send" is semantically different. "send" operations have recipients. "share" operations do not.
  • by adrianpike on 6/11/14, 10:23 PM

    The Windows 8 one is frighteningly similar to the Ubuntu logo.
  • by rssaddict on 6/12/14, 2:02 AM

    The author seems to contradict himself in the conclusion: while earlier he states that the Android share icon is also used by ShareThis, and that variations on it comprise the majority of search results for the term "share icon", he then concludes by saying that the Apple/iOS icon is "suitable to use in a general site/app", while the Android icon is "suitable to use in an Android app".

    I think the author's own greater familiarity with one icon (by virtue of being an OSX/iOS user) has led him to make an overreaching conclusion about the wider population.

  • by jpswade on 6/11/14, 10:16 PM

    The open hand is more like serve or broadcast than share.

    The outgoing or upload are nouns that don't mean share either.

    The Google Android - three dots approach seems to be the simplest, most logical, where one becomes two (or more).

  • by gcb0 on 6/12/14, 1:32 AM

    The solution clearly is to spin a SAS (share icon as a service) startup: offer a single endpoint URL that returns one image of the requested size.

    It will be a random share icon.

    until we can measure how many times each user clicks on individual icons, and optimize in the future to use that previously used icon for that user. After some data collection period the user will be served the icon he identifies more readily.

    Some heuristics can be added initially, like showing the android icon if the user agent is android for 90% instead of random.

    Will be taking round A tomorrow by noon. thank you.

  • by bluthru on 6/11/14, 11:30 PM

    When you're holding a mobile device, an up arrow is away from you and towards others. Sharing essentially becomes sending. I think iOS 7's representation is the most literal.
  • by oldspiceman on 6/12/14, 1:25 AM

    Translating 'share' into chinese yields this nice character: 共

    It's unique and memorable after you learn it. Not like the million other arrows we have in icons.

  • by GraffitiTim on 6/12/14, 2:53 AM

    What do people think of an "Outgoing Speech Bubble" icon? Here's a quick mockup I just did:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/r9f0w2tsrbc3c55/arrowbubble.png

    and at 32px wide:

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/qe6t169zgobdwih/arrowbubble-small....

  • by cratermoon on 6/11/14, 10:48 PM

    As a reluctant social media user, I think a can of SPAM would be perfect.
  • by hyperion2010 on 6/12/14, 2:47 AM

    What is amazing to me is that when I ctrf-f for 'publish' on this page I get not a single hit (in tfa or these comments).

    A huge part of what 'sharing' is today is actually publishing albeit to a controlled group of people. Often on social sites sharing is in fact publishing in the classic sense since many posts are public.

    I wonder whether this is a branding thing. 'Sharing' seems to be a more intimate and special or exclusive one-one activity (think secrets), while 'publishing' seems to be a far more public one-many activity. Strange then that so many companies try to use 'share' to cover many to one. I guess you can 'share' a story around a campfire, but again, you probably know everyone you are sharing with.

    Given the association of sharing with familiarity I think it is quite devious of companies to use such a term to describe an activity which is actually publishing.

  • by craigc on 6/12/14, 2:18 AM

    This article reminds me of conversations that we had at Vimeo when redesigning our video player.

    Our previous share icon was two arrows facing diagonally in opposite directions. The main problem with that was that it was very close to our "embed" icon. We knew we wanted to change it, but we didn't know what icon to use.

    We had a bunch of mockups that included some of the icons found in this article.

    Ultimately, we ended up deciding on a paper airplane. It definitely is familiar to people in terms of sending email, but we also thought it was a playful and fun way to indicate sharing. Really it was the only icon that we all liked.

    It might not be immediately clear at first, but hopefully after using it you get the hang of it.

    You can check it out here: https://vimeo.com/76979871

    And yes, I am the one in the opening shot of the video who throws the airplane :)

  • by bztzt on 6/11/14, 11:50 PM

    Incidentally, early prerelease versions of Windows 8 used the "Open Share" icon: http://www.neowin.net/images/uploaded/195351i26jesbggjt18g0i... ; wonder why they changed it.
  • by hashbanged on 6/11/14, 11:08 PM

    I like this article, and I tend to agree with its conclusions about which ones are most common on most platforms, but isn't this at best heuristics and at worst wrong assumptions?

    Like, I would use these as my heuristic guidelines if I was on the job and constraints dictate that I can't spend time on researching icons. But I wouldn't write a blog post authoritatively telling people that one icon is more recognized that the other without having some kind of research to back it up.

    Then again, the author does say at one point that their research is extremely informal, so maybe I'm just projecting my feelings about the cowboy nature of the UX profession right now. But I still feel like they could do more to qualify that these just appear to be their best guesses about how people interpret the share icon.

  • by tjohns on 6/11/14, 11:12 PM

    The author seems to be quite fond of Apple's iOS6-era Share icon. It would be interesting to ask somebody who isn't familiar with Apple's products what that icon means. I've always found it a bit confusing.

    In general, this kind of thing would actually be a interesting research project.

  • by Tloewald on 6/12/14, 4:14 AM

    The writer misses the fact that Apple has a more general and consistent concept of "sharing" (and has had consistently for nearly a decade -- before iOS and before the iOS sharing icon) than the others.

    Share -- exemplified by iPhoto -- means share by any means (e.g. email, youtube, twitter, facebook, burning a DVD). Thus, Apple's icon makes perfect sense -- more sense than the Y -- based on this. You might be sharing with one specific person, or everyone. The point is that you're sending stuff OUT.

    Most of the others treat sharing as something special that is "distribute by any method except the other things we have icons for".

  • by piokoch on 6/12/14, 9:40 AM

    That's very interesting indeed.

    In the old days Microsoft was creating an icon and everybody used that, otherwise people would not understand what a given button is doing. Web and mobile devices with multiple os changed all that.

    Another thing is how much iconized guis are. In theory it would be enough to create an icon with "Share" written on it. Nobody even tries that now, not even icon + text.

    This is also a beautiful example of how much text/speech is sometimes more powerfull then picture. It seems that not always "picture is worth a thousand words".

  • by nezza-_- on 6/11/14, 10:30 PM

    It would be interesting to ask people if they recognise what the "Milkshake-icon" represents.. I don't think "A drink with two straws" would've been my first guess.
  • by spb on 6/12/14, 1:01 AM

    http://i.imgur.com/80fMIju.png - here's a quick mockup I made in Inkscape of the best icon I know for "share". It's two people handing something off to each other.

    When I was a kid, this is what I thought the old "Find" binoculars icon from Microsoft Word / Netscape was. It seems to me that an icon that brings this association inadvertently is better than a contrived abstract symbol that requires explanation.

  • by phkahler on 6/12/14, 12:02 AM

    The larger question: All platforms seem to eventually converge on icons to some extent. What I see here is that the concept of sharing is new, and I don't think that's limited to computer uses. We live in a very competitive world where we consume, buy, compete. Sure we share things, but we discriminate in the physical world. I think the notion of sharing non discriminately with ALL our connections is fundamentally new and this is contributing to the lack of a standard symbol.
  • by alexvr on 6/12/14, 12:01 AM

    Haha, I'm glad I'm not the only one who cringes at the sight of the iOS Safari share icon. My brain starts panicking a little while trying to decipher its meaning.
  • by wunderlust on 6/12/14, 2:23 PM

    While the milkshake icon is in part for humor, it doesn't represent the same concept that the other icons represent. The acts of 'sharing' a piece of music and 'sharing' a milkshake are different. When people share a milkshake, the implication is that they're both there drinking it. Sharing a milkshake like you'd share an article would be to give the milkshake to someone else. You wouldn't even need two straws.
  • by anshublog on 6/11/14, 10:14 PM

    Me likes iOS. It seems to be the easiest for me to understand.
  • by Glyptodon on 6/11/14, 11:20 PM

    The milkshake idea was in my head before I even got to the section where the writer mentioned it, so it's at least got some sort of universality (for an American).

    It also makes sense to me because I most frequently want to share specific things with specific people rather than everyone.

    I wonder if there might be two different share icons - one to share with someone specific, and one to share with the world at large.

  • by dotnick on 6/12/14, 9:13 AM

    > Overall, the idea of this design is not immediately intuitive and the association of sharing with this symbol is purely because users have learned what it means over time.

    I honestly believe that this is the case for all the icons. As an Android user and developer, I wouldn't associate the box with the up arrow with a "share" action, much less the Windows 8 circle thing.

  • by ChuckMcM on 6/11/14, 10:43 PM

    I always thought a megaphone pointed at a rendition of the world would be a great sharing icon. But its too complex to render easily.
  • by paul_milovanov on 6/12/14, 1:22 AM

    Can't believe nobody has thought of a syringe with a needle as a metaphor for sharing. </sarcasm>

    Ok, ok, how about wrapped candy?

  • by ddebernardy on 6/12/14, 8:37 AM

    It is quite telling that the article itself, towards the very bottom, prompts to share with facebook, twitter and google+ buttons -- but no share icon of any sort.

    For good reasons, too: when you want to share something, you invariably want to do so in a specific manner, meaning email, FB, twitter, HN, etc., rather than plain "share".

  • by jbranchaud on 6/12/14, 7:31 PM

    There is a cultural component here as well. How do you create an icon that represents sharing across many cultures and many countries? I am thinking of things like Facebook and mobile devices.

    For instance, while the milkshake icon is an interesting new approach, I wonder how much sense it makes in many cultures and countries.

  • by breadbox on 6/12/14, 4:01 AM

    There is no doubt in my mind that the "milkshake" one is the most sticky, and once it caught on people would definitely remember it, which is really what you need to make an icon become universal. Getting it to catch on in the first place ... that's probably not going to happen.
  • by gukov on 6/11/14, 11:00 PM

    Not a fan of icons with a grid or connected dots. To me that means "viral." Usually I don't care whether the video goes viral, I just want my friends to see it, a one-to-many connection. How about a megaphone?
  • by sammyd56 on 6/11/14, 11:03 PM

    For me 'sharing' is about communicating, about passing on a message. A speech bubble is the best representation in my mind... but that is already used for comments.
  • by mncolinlee on 6/12/14, 8:24 PM

    The first time I saw the iOS "uploader" icon on my iPad, I thought for certain that it was for Up navigation in the app. There's nothing intuitive about it.
  • by spankalee on 6/12/14, 12:46 AM

    I really prefer the "many people" icon, and disagree that it should only mean collaboration. I think it has the least abstract form and most intuitive meaning.
  • by harsh1618 on 6/12/14, 6:53 AM

    The Windows share button and the Ubuntu logo aren't abstract as the article claims. It's a top view of three people standing in a circle and holding hands.
  • by melloclello on 6/11/14, 10:55 PM

    I feel like if somebody did what Apple did for the cloud icon (i.e., came up with a canonical geometric representation[1]) to the 'Graph Diagram'[2] mentioned in the article, then you'd find that everyone would just wind up using that.

    [1] http://www.hanselman.com/blog/ThereIsOnlyOneCloudIconInTheEn...

    [2] https://bold.pixelapse.com/minming/share-the-icon-no-one-agr...

  • by ajaymehta on 6/11/14, 10:27 PM

    I like the Y-shaped old Android logo, but for some reason I feel that it looks upside-down. Could be one dot on top, with 2-3 arrows pointing downwards.

    Fascinating article!

  • by Yetanfou on 6/12/14, 2:09 PM

    May I suggest an octopus, stretching its arms out, the tips curling around hapless victims? Something resembling the NROL-39 logo [1] would do fine.

    I tend to stay away from any 'Share', 'Mail', 'Like' and related buttons. If I want to share something, I'll use my own server so that only those who I intend to share with are party to the conversation.

    [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NRO_Launches#mediaviewe...

  • by Nihei on 6/12/14, 9:42 PM

    I've always thought a megaphone would make for a good share symbol. It makes much more sense (in my head) than most of these in the link.
  • by andreash on 6/12/14, 5:32 AM

    The "share-icon war". The new browser-war that will haunt us for years. We'll be cross-device share icon compatibility experts.
  • by agumonkey on 6/11/14, 11:06 PM

    a small take on the subject http://imgur.com/a/rXXro#0
  • by baddox on 6/11/14, 11:29 PM

    Is this really a problem? It doesn't even seem like there is less consensus on Share icons than for other common icons.
  • by gdubs on 6/12/14, 1:25 AM

    The box with arrow icon originated as an "action" icon -- like, "take some action on this item".
  • by bitwize on 6/11/14, 11:43 PM

    Those "graph diagram" ones look like the Spathi Eluder to me. Not quite the image that you want to invoke.
  • by s0me0ne on 6/12/14, 5:38 PM

    I like the hand icon, the milkshake might work but make the milk transparent with a line for the top of it
  • by zuck9 on 6/12/14, 5:42 PM

    If any Apple designer reading this, please propose on replacing the share icon with a milkshake!

    It's just perfect!

  • by 4rt on 6/11/14, 11:03 PM

    on a tangent - when the hell did "zoom" and "search" icons become identical.

    i find it confusing.

  • by kzrdude on 6/12/14, 12:30 AM

    The open hand must actually have been a representation of _Serving_ files, i.e. like a server.
  • by mlnhd on 6/12/14, 7:40 PM

    I thought this was going to be about how I don't agree the icon should exist at all.
  • by cobralibre on 6/12/14, 2:24 AM

    A milkshake icon is certainly easier to draw than a Daniel Day-Lewis icon.
  • by gsmethells on 6/12/14, 2:50 AM

    Maybe it's the word "share" that needs changing instead.
  • by webkike on 6/12/14, 6:10 AM

    I think the icon most appropriate might be a fax machine
  • by egfx on 6/12/14, 8:30 AM

    What would be the best SHARE representation in Emoji???
  • by brainburn on 6/12/14, 12:58 PM

    No reason the icon can't be animated.
  • by higherpurpose on 6/12/14, 9:10 AM

    iOS7 one definitely conveys uploading. The Windows 8 one is just stupid.
  • by whoa-duder on 6/11/14, 11:51 PM

    Words, why not use words?