by brnstz on 1/27/14, 9:56 PM with 15 comments
by pippy on 1/27/14, 11:07 PM
That's absolutely ridiculous. It's no better than not stating at all. They also still can't state if the request is relating to terrorism, or industrial espionage under the guise of alleged crimes. For now foreign companies have to assume the worst.
It's pretty depressing knowing that the United States has one of the best, and most clear constitutions ever written. You can't misinterpret the First Amendment, and yet it's now completely void.
by rst on 1/27/14, 11:39 PM
Quoting the nub of it (please note, this is all her, not me):
First, you can sort of see what the government really wants to hide with these schemes. They don’t want you to know if they submit a single NSL or 215 order affecting 1000 customers, which it’s possible might appear without the bands.They don’t want you to see if there’s a provider getting almost no requests (which would be hidden by the initial bands).
And obviously, they don’t want you to know when they bring new capabilities online, in the way they didn’t want users to know they had broken Skype. Though at this point, what kind of half-ased terrorist wouldn’t just assume the NSA has everything?
I think the biggest shell game might arise from the distinction between account (say, my entire Google identity) and selector (my various GMail email addresses, Blogger ID, etc). By permitting reporting on selectors, not users, this could obscure whether a report affects 30 identities of one customer or the accounts of 30 customers. Further, there’s a lot we still don’t know about what FISC might consider a selector (they have, in the past, considered entire telecom switches to be).
by MWil on 1/28/14, 1:34 AM
"New" companies can be less open with their users?! Is company defined by it's specific name? If Google snaps up the service, does that make it less new? If my LLC moves to another corporate form, is it "new"?
What can make the six-month delay more delayed? How indefinitely can an investigation that lasts longer than six-months take?
I'm also confused about the and/or status for NSLs, "selectors", and FISA orders. "Selectors" seems the most specific but the use of "will also be allowed" makes me question whether it's subject to the 250/1000 increment requirements at all.
by 14th on 1/27/14, 10:24 PM
by qwerty_asdf on 1/27/14, 10:44 PM
I mean, thank god. I was really worried that they weren't disclosing nearly enough of my ostensibly confidential information.
God bless America.
by mcphilip on 1/27/14, 10:43 PM
> That provision means nobody will know whether the government is eavesdropping on a new email platform or chat service. And itpersuaded intelligence officials to endorse the rules, a U.S. official familiar with the discussions said. The Justice Department proposed the changes to the companies late last week and, by the end of the weekend, they agreed to drop their case before the FISA court.
Does this imply that the two year waiting period (as opposed to 1-year, six month delay) is a new restriction specifically added in for new companies in order to get Microsoft, Google, Yahoo, and Facebook to drop their case?
I don't expect that too many new companies would be eager to report that data, but I'm curious if this is ultimately a win for intelligence officials.
by kyleblarson on 1/28/14, 12:46 AM