by jazzyjazz on 8/8/13, 2:03 PM with 32 comments
by invalidOrTaken on 8/8/13, 2:38 PM
Also, "accelerator?" An accelerator is something that speeds along an already existent entity. A mission might be a good person accelerator, but if you're bringing your company with you on the mission, you're a bad founder and a bad missionary.
I attribute Utah's startup culture to: the presence of BYU, a bunch of church-derived networks (I still talk to mission buddies, and did a startup with one of them), and high pressure on men to be providers.
by saosebastiao on 8/8/13, 3:34 PM
My own anecdotal evidence is that I have had twice as much financial success, and an even more amazing marriage since I left the church. And some of the more faithful mission companions I've had are still waiting around for their blessings.
There are plenty of person accelerators out there. A mission is a good experience, but nowhere near as important as you think.
by phamilton on 8/8/13, 3:04 PM
by ezl on 8/8/13, 3:46 PM
some of the discussion notes here seem to center on whether the requirements of serving mormon missions is a driver for entrepreneurship, but i think the obvious real story here is that 2 years of truly focused, single minded dedication to a cause is the sort of tenacity that most people in (American) society never really experience.
Tenacity and focus seem to be huge drivers in startup success.
I don't know about "mission == ultimate startup accelerator" but I'd back the claim that it's the sort of mental training ground that I don't think much else in American life stands up against.
by sofal on 8/8/13, 4:17 PM
by VaedaStrike on 8/8/13, 2:53 PM
invalidOrTaken's comments on it preparing for corporate life I think depends on how a person approaches it.
I think the biggest thing, and this can inoculate for both corporate or start-up land, is the potential for acclimation to rejection. Getting over rejection (and staying over it) helps you, I believe, in either start-up or corporate environment.
Whether it prepares one for corporate or start-up, I believe, leans heavily on what one sees as progress.
The realization for me that metrics only matter in the aggregate of everyone together and that one's individual quality of performance on a net whole is what mattered for that individual's personal accomplishment is something that's helped me immensely.
I can knock doors 'till the cows come home but if my hearts not in it the meaningful metrics don't come through, but, on the other hand, if there are good metrics it can be an indicator of the intensity one is applying and, in that way, can help one get an external glimpse of commitment.
by Prophasi on 8/8/13, 2:40 PM
We don't see eye-to-eye on religion, but I admire their persistence and resilience in plugging away in the heat and cold, day after day, dealing with an almost certain high level of rejection and, often, hostility.
In my experience they've always remained respectful and polite, too, far beyond the low threshold most people seem to have. I could see that laying an excellent foundation for entrepreneurial gusto.
by thetrumanshow on 8/8/13, 3:41 PM
Young pastors, especially in the independent circuit (ie. not a seminary) are hustlers. They get told "NO!!!" a lot and it makes them very resilient. But, I don't think it necessarily makes them good salesmen which is what you need to be in a startup.
The kind of sales that missionaries (and pastors alike) are suited for is the pushy kind where you force fit your solution on top of any circumstance. The kind of sales a start-up needs to do (IMO) is the kind where you understand the businesses problems and provide a solution that meets the business requirement.
by jtsnow on 8/8/13, 4:52 PM
- Mentorship and training offered by relatively successful individuals.
- Most will have some form of leadership responsibility. Typically can range from overseeing 4 to 30 individuals.
- Complete escape from media: no news, music, TV, etc.
- 2 hours of study daily
- 30 minutes exercise each morning. (Opportunity exists for longer recreation/exercise once per week.)
- Obviously being immersed in a different culture is a unique experience. Missionaries will talk to anyone willing to have a conversation and work with local church members. This leads to experiences one wouldn't have even if one were to move to the same place and get a job.
by _greim_ on 8/8/13, 4:40 PM
by gtani on 8/8/13, 3:10 PM
This kind of showed the challenges they were having in remote parts of Ecuador, close to the Colombian border. A couple of them didn't speak Spanish very well, but they were coping well, in my estimation. So I see the connection
by paulhummer on 8/8/13, 7:22 PM
A mission is like college. It is what you make of it. For instance, I was a missionary with a mission. I didn't work too much with people that wanted to waste my time. I looked for people that were ready to make life changing decisions right now. I didn't find "knocking doors"/tracting to be very effective, and so while I did do it sporadically, I found other ways to meet people (ways that likely wouldn't work in the US, mind). I never sat still. I was either out meeting people, teaching them, and finding ways to help them or I was studying and thinking about better ways to help them.
I'm not sure that really made me founder material, but I did get the reap a lot of benefits of hard work. This resulted in me working harder to reap more benefits, and became a positive feedback loop for me.
This is what I have found, ten years later: Mormon missionaries are always two by two because they can't be by themselves (with the exception of being in the toilet). They aren't allowed. And you don't get to pick your "companion". You are assigned a companion and an area. Sometimes you get jerks. Sometimes you get people you just don't have anything in common with. And you don't get to put in a transfer request, or go stay at a friend's house to avoid them. You're with them. Period. This taught me to deal with people that are different than me, and not only "get along" with them, but be effective.
by ascotan on 8/8/13, 7:57 PM
I did however, think that missionary work gives you a certain level of maturity that most 19-21 year olds lack at that age.