by Gud on 6/12/25, 9:21 AM with 583 comments
by JumpCrisscross on 6/12/25, 11:37 AM
Exposing yourself to first-week speculation isn’t just unproductive, it’s often counterproductive since the actual findings can rhyme with the false speculation closely enough that you wind up muddling the two in your mind.
by brunohaid on 6/12/25, 11:38 AM
Clear skies, no LiveATC but reports of single Mayday call, gear out but no flaps and no control inputs visible in the grainy video. Something has to go really catastrophically wrong with a modern jetliner for that to happen, like the very dense flock of birds in Korea with the 737 a couple of months back.
The very short intersection takeoff seems like a good hint (and terrible practice), but all gears and engines look kinda OK from the outside. If they‘d scraped something on takeoff hard enough to take out both engines, there’d probably be some visible damage, or at least some gears sheared off.
EDIT:
Fully agree with the speculation in light of tragedy comments, but aviation is a bit of a special case. The reason it’s so safe is because an awful lot of people immediately start looking into potential reasons and then spend years getting to the bottom of it. The initial speculation is like an exercise: what could have happened? What if I’m in that situation, and need to act now, without knowing much of anything? If you do that a couple of dozen or hundred times throughout your life, it really builds a foundation for when an actual emergency ever happens to you.
It’s a bit like the reason most flight attendants in the emergency exit jump seat across from you won’t talk with you during the actual takeoff and landing: they‘re mentally walking through a potential emergency and what they‘d then need to do. Every single time. So if it ever happens, there‘s muscle memory, 10000x over.
EDIT 2: see the Flightradar24 comment below, it looks like they did backtrack and use the full runway.
by msravi on 6/12/25, 2:20 PM
by decimalenough on 6/12/25, 11:35 AM
Initial ADS-B data from flight #AI171 shows that the aircraft reached a maximum barometric altitude of 625 feet (airport altitude is about 200 feet) and then it started to descend with an vertical speed of -475 feet per minute.
https://x.com/flightradar24/status/1933091913567285366?t=MhY...
This also means that the flight was fully fueled and it's sadly unlikely there will be any survivors. There are also casualties on the ground.
by msravi on 6/12/25, 2:05 PM
by DanielleMolloy on 6/12/25, 12:22 PM
by teitoklien on 6/12/25, 5:49 PM
He died of “suicide” suspiciously right after. I hope Boeing gets investigated for failure after failure after failure, and crashes it has caused recently.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/16/boeing-whis...
by babushkaboi on 6/12/25, 12:00 PM
Sumeet Sabharwal – Captain - 8800+ flying hours Clive Kunder – First Officer 1 - 1100+ flying hours
Cabin Crew
Aparna Mahadik – Cabin Executive-1 Shradha Dhavan – Cabin Executive-2 Deepak Pathak Irfan Shaikh Lamnunthem Singson Maithili Patil Manisha Thapa
This was crew of AI171. Next time you're on a flight please take a moment to thank the pilots, CISF staff and cabin crew for all they do to keep us safe.
by greybox on 6/12/25, 11:24 AM
> Several injured passengers have been evacuated from the scene and transported to local hospitals.
Edit: The BBC is reporting local police as saying: "There appears to be no survivors" https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c8d1r3m8z92t?post=asset%3A8731...
by mkoryak on 6/12/25, 11:43 AM
by dckx on 6/12/25, 1:38 PM
Any discussion about causes is going to be pure speculation right now. It's too early. But the Wiki article is pretty good to get an overview. Some interesting discussion on its talk page too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Air_India_Flight_171
by m4tthumphrey on 6/12/25, 11:15 AM
by ihuk on 6/12/25, 11:18 AM
by leetrout on 6/12/25, 11:24 AM
Assuming this is accurate I would think this is a terrible idea in a large, heavy aircraft (and I realize they might not have been heavy for this flight).
When I was flying I would regularly hear airliners refuse intersection departures past a few hundred feet from the end of the runway due to company SOPs.
by aurizon on 6/12/25, 4:27 PM
by jharohit on 6/12/25, 4:09 PM
by lvl155 on 6/12/25, 11:20 AM
by throwanem on 6/12/25, 11:47 AM
by rich_sasha on 6/12/25, 6:19 PM
Still wild speculation, but at least a high proportion of it informed.
by Symbiote on 6/12/25, 11:21 AM
Direct link: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/12/air-india...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2025/jun/12/air-india...
by nitinreddy88 on 6/12/25, 2:26 PM
by pluc on 6/12/25, 5:49 PM
by bravesoul2 on 6/12/25, 9:34 PM
Goes through the usual speculations. However it mentions interesting the region has a high number of bird strikes.
by constantinum on 6/12/25, 6:10 PM
by aurizon on 6/12/25, 5:39 PM
by urbandw311er on 6/12/25, 10:14 PM
by callamdelaney on 6/12/25, 9:26 PM
by unionemployee on 6/13/25, 8:41 PM
by xiphias2 on 6/12/25, 11:46 AM
by crossroadsguy on 6/12/25, 12:50 PM
by grg0 on 6/13/25, 12:16 AM
by DanielleMolloy on 6/12/25, 12:06 PM
by billfruit on 6/12/25, 12:52 PM
by aurizon on 6/12/25, 4:44 PM
by debarshri on 6/12/25, 12:07 PM
by ExoticPearTree on 6/12/25, 1:23 PM
by calcifer on 6/12/25, 11:27 AM
[1] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/apr/16/boeing-whis...
by Havoc on 6/12/25, 11:38 AM
by fortran77 on 6/12/25, 11:35 AM
by impulser_ on 6/12/25, 8:25 PM
The US flys significantly more than any country in the world and operates the most Boeing airplanes including the 737 and 737 Max, yet there hasn't been a single major accident like this and the Max crashes in the US.
Are these planes not maintained to the same standards, are the pilots not trained on these types of planes as much as in the US?