by helsinkiandrew on 6/4/25, 10:22 AM with 45 comments
by jqpabc123 on 6/5/25, 1:14 AM
Using FSD otherwise places your life and the life of others in danger.
FSD; as currently implemented, is just good enough to lull drivers into a false sense of complacency --- and make more money for Tesla.
by IcePic on 6/4/25, 10:46 AM
Regardless of if its FSD or the autopilot system under investigation, if this in fact is the first recorded death that is directly linked to the car driving itself, and tesla has had cars around for what, 12 years by now with varying degrees of self-driving and steering assistance, then it would be somewhat prudent to compare against say all the accidents made by tesla drivers not using any versions of FSD/autopiloting. If it then shows that running with it on is 10%, 50% or 90% "better" in avoiding accidents, then it is still a net win. But I don't think there is statistics to say that this first death attributable to the self-driving in itself makes it worse than people (with all our flaws) driving manually.
There seems to be some kind of weird double standard where we let people get drivers licenses and run around causing X% accidents per year, then automakers add more or less helpful steering aids and get this figure down to X/2 or X/5 or X/10% and we somehow scream for regulating computers from helping us drive?
If there existed a button to reduce cancer by half, to a fifth, a tenth of what the current rates are for contracting it, I can't see many people trying to legislate so that we could never push said button until it removes ALL cancer from any patient ever. I get that self-driving is far from perfect, but if it helps, then it helps. What more is there to say?
Each and every death is tragic, not trying to be all utilitarian about it, but it seems (to me, with limited facts) that these tools overall seem to make driving slightly safer than not using them, and I can only guess that if even more cars would be using automatic distance to car in front and stuff like that, the numbers would go down even more since people tend to be somewhat more chaotic while driving which I gather makes it hard on the computer to account for.
And lastly, pet peeve about "recalled 2M cars". Yes, the term is like that, makes it sound like millions of cars had to go to the dealership or service, whereas someone codes up a fix, pushes a button and a week later, all cars are now running that fix. But that doesn't make for dramatic headlines if you have an agenda.
Yes, I have an M3, no I don't like EM heiling on tv, but that was hard to predict 4 years ago.
by helsinkiandrew on 6/4/25, 10:22 AM
Note: archive version doesn't have the harrowing live video footage