by cowpig on 5/29/25, 8:13 PM
This little article-ette fails to address the reality that there is already untrusted AI between you & the internet. It's the feed algorithm and content farms/propaganda networks
by exrhizo on 5/29/25, 8:08 PM
A good reason to have LLM provider swapping built into these things
by Leo-thorne on 5/30/25, 3:10 AM
A lot of people now use AI to help them look things up or recommend content. Over time, I noticed that I started getting used to just accepting whatever answer the AI gives me.
In the end, what you see is really what it wants you to see, not necessarily what you actually need.
by lrvick on 5/29/25, 11:46 PM
You can mitigate this by running the LLM engine and model in a publicly remotely attestable secure enclave able to prove every line of code that went into the final machine code running in memory. You can also encrypt prompts to an ephemeral key held by the enclave for privacy from even the provider sysadmins.
The result are remotely hosted tamper evident LLMs proving you get the same responses anyone else would, while being confidential.
All the tech for this already exists as open source, just waiting on people to package up a combined solution.
by freediver on 5/29/25, 9:38 PM
The problems only elevates in a market where the AIs are 'free'. If they are paid, and the user has the leverage to walk away with their wallet on any sign of unwanted behavior to a competitor that doesn't do it, it corrects itself over time.
by wewtyflakes on 5/29/25, 8:10 PM
I dread the day I see an ad from an LLM, but I am unsure how this is different than Google being an intermediary between myself and reaching the rest of the internet. Specifically, this statement...
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adding an untrusted middleman to your information diet and all of your personal communications will eventually become a disaster that will be obvious in hindsight
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...seems like it could be said for Google right now.
by headcanon on 5/29/25, 9:04 PM
I've been having a lot of success using o3 to run searches. Its really nice to be able to parse through tons of search results and just get the relevant info (probably what the search engine should have been doing in the first place, but I digress).
I really don't want to have to give this up, but I imagine soon enough this too will become enshittified. I mean, its already happening: https://openai.com/chatgpt/search-product-discovery/
Whats the long term solution here? Open Web UI with deepseek + tavily? Would it be profitable long term to have a "neutral" search engine, or will it be cost prohibitive moving forward?
by BrenBarn on 5/30/25, 2:18 AM
Basically every use of these AIs is a disaster waiting to happen.
by tim333 on 5/30/25, 12:19 PM
>adding an untrusted middleman to your information diet [...] will eventually become a disaster that will be obvious in hindsight.
Like the existing info on the web is trusted? Almost everyone's trying to shill something.
by throwaway81523 on 5/30/25, 1:15 AM
MCP sounds like a plain horrible idea because of this ;).
by orbital-decay on 5/30/25, 4:35 AM
> adding an untrusted middleman to your information diet and all of your personal communications will eventually become a disaster that will be obvious in hindsight.IMO it's not a particularly interesting or novel message. We're already living in the perpetual disaster of that kind. You can say this about all social and traditional media and state propaganda, and it will remain true. What really matters is the level of trust you put in that middleman. High trust leans towards peace and being manipulated. Low trust leans towards violence and freedom of thought. Yada yada.
Remembering that the actual middleman is people who are making AI, and not the AI itself, is way more important.
by cush on 5/29/25, 10:26 PM
> You ask OpenAI for a product recommendation, and it recommends a product that they’re associated with, or one that a company is paying them to promote. Or maybe some company detects OpenAI’s web scraper and delivers customized content to win the recommendation. You just don’t know.
How is this even remotely different than Google Search? It's consulting Billions of pages to feed you a handful of results but mostly ads
by matty22 on 5/30/25, 3:48 PM
I mean I already can't find what I'm looking for because everything is so SEO'd to hell and back that rather than seeing what I've searched for, I see what makes Google the most money.
I'm as anti-AI as anyone, but what's the difference between LLM garbage and SEO garbage?