by agent008t on 5/15/25, 11:19 AM with 27 comments
With Gmail, I am concerned that I could get arbitrarily locked out of my account with no recourse. Also, I wouldn't mind moving away from Google in general to support a more decentralized internet. If it is based outside of the US, even better. But these considerations are secondary.
So I am looking for something secure, reliable, and usable (good search, not getting overrun with spam) that I could use for the next few decades. Privacy is only important insofar as reasonable security is concerned (vague, I know, but my point is that practicality is more important).
What do you use and what have been the pros and cons?
by svennek on 5/15/25, 12:04 PM
I chose them after a rather lengthy search.
Reasons for choosing them(pros)
- multiple "payment accounts" can share the same domain (securely), which was my primary reason for choosing them.
I.e. I cannot access my brother's mail in any way, even if we share the same domain, because he is his own admin.
- you can pay extra for more space (i.e. additional storage on a per gigabyte basis)
- extra "domains" and "aliases" for the mailboxes are possible and free (for a given number dependent on your subscription level)
- German company (i.e. EU company, which I care a lot about).
- They seem like an old-fashioned unix company that respect privacy, so my risk of being data harvested or used for ai training seems miniscule
- They seem to be financially stable and (if I remember correctly) around 40 employees which is a reasonable size
- They have a full online office suit (which I do not use)
Reasons not to (cons)
- you pay per mailbox, not per domain
- their business plans starts to expensive for my taste (so my business domain is at another hoster) as the business is basically revenueless currently. Shouldn't be a problem, if the business is "real".
I want to stress, that I am only a customer, no partner or affiliate or receive any benefit of writing this.
by os2warpman on 5/15/25, 3:04 PM
I use my own domain and turned on wildcards so each service gets a different email address to try and spam.
by andyjohnson0 on 5/15/25, 12:04 PM
Been using it for years with my own domain. Rock solid and good support, with no cons that I can think of. Fastmail will sell you a domain but I register mine with CloudFlare.
by n0ot on 5/15/25, 3:14 PM
by isaachinman on 5/16/25, 9:02 AM
And if you have email accounts spread across multiple providers, check out the email client I am currently building:
Supports anything that supports IMAP/SMTP, but crucially is cross-platform (desktop + mobile apps).
by overu589 on 5/15/25, 11:50 AM
by aprilnya on 5/18/25, 10:13 AM
I ended up switching to Migadu however, as nowadays I need to have multiple domains, and multiple people might need to have accounts on some of them.
- Pros of your own domain: migrating to a new provider is really easy (don’t need to change your email address everywhere), your email provider can’t kick you out and make you lose everything
- Cons of your own domain: if you forget to renew it, you lose your email, but it’s pretty hard to forget to renew it IMO
by bigfatkitten on 5/15/25, 11:29 AM
by palata on 5/20/25, 7:34 AM
by HenryBemis on 5/19/25, 10:28 PM
In both Gmail and the Domain Registrar give them 'everything' passport, etc. so even if you manage to lose it somehow, you can prove yourself to be you/the real owner, and get it back (no more "oh I used a free online SMS website to register").
If you got a best-friend-in-the-world, and they have the same setup (their own domain) you can crisscross and be each other's recovery 'email'.
by sen on 5/18/25, 2:49 AM
Entire extended family doing the same now and never had a single issue.
by lesser23 on 5/15/25, 2:40 PM
I was on protonmail for years. But I found the integrations were not compatible with my ideal workflow. Their iPhone app also crashed all the time for me and you can’t use regular mail clients. For PCs you can use the bridge with a client but I found nothing like that for the phone.
WRT proton I think it was overkill for my use case. If I need complete secrecy I can use GPG over email.
I find Fastmail to be cheaper, faster, and more compatible for every day use. I also really like the email alias feature which I use all the time. Fastmail and a standalone VPN was significantly cheaper than protons offerings as well.
At the end of the day as long as you use a custom domain it doesn’t really matter where you go. Even Gmail works fine here. To me it just matters where you will compromise on usability for secrecy.
by outlore on 5/15/25, 2:28 PM
by mr_person on 5/15/25, 12:04 PM
Literally my only complaint is that the new-ish vanilla SMTP service does not play well with systems like DMA or Postfix, so I have issues using it for cron emails on my servers.
Everything else has worked pretty much perfectly since I migrated over.
Edit: I echo other commenters though, get your own domain regardless of where you host it. That way you can always pack up your toys and go somewhere else if required
by helph67 on 5/15/25, 9:47 PM
by ColinWright on 5/15/25, 1:04 PM
* Get your own domain so you can move it if necessary;
* Download all your email regularly ... don't rely on the host storage;
* The above is as a backup ... if you get locked out of a host you can point your domain somewhere else, but you risk losing existing data;
I work almost exclusively locally, downloading everything, but still have the webmail interface for when it's more convenient.
by brokegrammer on 5/16/25, 10:33 AM
Use gmail then setup a tool like imapsync to sync all your mail to another mailbox.
by burgerzzz on 5/18/25, 8:47 AM