by edent on 4/23/25, 7:20 AM with 228 comments
by constantcrying on 4/23/25, 8:02 AM
Looking at the list of projects you can see that they support a huge variety of projects, with all kind of different scopes and intentions.
While I think that the overarching goal is good and I would like to see them succeed, I also think that they fail to address the single most important issue. Which is that Apple and Microsoft are the only real system vendors, corporations who can offer an entire integrated system and aren't just either single components or many different components packaged together, but without the interaction necessary to compete with Apple or Microsoft.
The funding goes to many, but small projects, but this means the single biggest issue, actually deploying an open source system over an entire organization remains unaddressed.
by pickledoyster on 4/23/25, 8:31 AM
I'd LOVE to see more institutions and NGOs move to PeerTube.
The only gripe I see is funding for Wiktionary, part of the well funded Wikimedia that spends over a quarter of its budget on "Building analytics and ML services" https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_...
by maelito on 4/23/25, 7:56 AM
by mixcocam on 4/23/25, 9:15 AM
In the EU the size of the state is often bigger than 50% of GDP. What the government buys is very important and means a lot of $$ for projects, consultants and the rest of the open source ecosystem.
by udev4096 on 4/23/25, 12:52 PM
by freetonik on 4/23/25, 8:05 AM
by tasn on 4/23/25, 10:51 AM
by tekchip on 4/23/25, 4:43 PM
Also a lot of arguments that MS provides some total package which is irreplaceable which just isn't true. That argument seems to conflate software dominance in the US (is that even true? Linux runs most back end) with some kind of hardware dominance. MS doesn't provide hardware beyond some limited set of desktop hardware which most businesses don't even use. Most business lease from the likes of Dell, HP, and Lenovo both front and back end. This should probably be the real discussion.
by ryao on 4/23/25, 10:29 AM
SSH Stamp looks very interesting at a glance, but there is no information about a project page or a developer. A search for it with DuckDuckGo does not find any information beyond that page. I wonder if this is real. If there is anything open source about this, it is nothing like the open source projects I know.
by asim on 4/23/25, 8:42 AM
Edit: if I was to dig a little deeper. What you do need is an operating system for the cloud. Something anyone can run and adapt. With a clear service to service protocol (not http or grpc) and a base set of services that make it useful. Things like proton are nice and we can support them and they run and manage the service. But if you wanted to run that stack yourself, you couldn't. I don't think it's entirely open source. I don't think that's their goal, but you also just couldn't run it yourself. We need this sort of default open model while having a cohesive strategy around how you build something. That is a true alternative to big tech and cloud providers. We are nowhere close to that.
by sylware on 4/23/25, 9:31 AM
The benchmark is the critical/"very utility" online service should work with a noscript/basic (x)html text browser, then you could add a simple CSS stylesheet for the noscript/basic (x)html CSS renderer (for instance netsurf), then if it is really unreasonable to do otherwise <troll but not so much>you could have an wayland/alsa ELF RISC-V binary running on JSLinux itself running in apple/gogol Big Tech web engines</troll but not so much>.
Don't forget that developping the software of the public web site/online service is not the main activity, timewise... the main activity, and by far, is the permanent monitoring and related development, security wise, and availability wise (in the end, the really really hard part is manufacturing state-of-the-art silicon hardware :) ).
by hello_computer on 4/23/25, 10:35 AM
They are so far behind. Focus! Spitballing 42 random projects is a luxury Europe does not have.
by eichin on 4/23/25, 3:51 PM
by MisterTea on 4/23/25, 2:42 PM
This is something I would be interested in but there is no link to a project page. I sent a message alerting them in case it was accidentally left out.
by zkmon on 4/23/25, 12:09 PM
by berlinbrowndev on 4/23/25, 1:32 PM
Like a simpler web server for http that only supports certain.
by b0dhimind on 4/23/25, 3:25 PM
by wolvesechoes on 4/23/25, 3:46 PM
Also money is but a one issue. Free software has a big problem with coordination of efforts. Though many claim it is its strength, it is a handicap when it comes to political action (and free software is a political action).
In short, what we need is an equivalent of grand industrial policies of the past, but this time for free software.
by OsrsNeedsf2P on 4/23/25, 4:46 PM
by nextpaco on 4/23/25, 10:15 AM
This is beyond ridiculousness.
An AI agent could make a far better job than many well-paid but extremely lazy european bureaurats.
Let alone the corruption, if they choose their friend projects.
I'm pro an unite Europe but current European Union is beyond shame.