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Anthropic CEO says spies are after $100M AI secrets in a 'few lines of code'

by vinni2 on 3/13/25, 7:28 AM with 13 comments

• by MonkeyClub on 3/13/25, 12:25 PM

  Interesting how his essay, "Machines of Loving Grace" [1], echoes Adam Curtis' "All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace" [2], which argues the exact opposite, namely that

  > computers have failed to liberate humanity, and instead have "distorted and simplified our view of the world around us."

  [1] https://darioamodei.com/machines-of-loving-grace

  [2] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Watched_Over_by_Machines...

• by Oras on 3/13/25, 7:50 AM

  I have a huge respect for Claude and their models, but this statement is just dump!

  DeepSeek, and Alibaba (Qwen) are making their models open source including the papers explaining “their secrets”.

• by htrp on 3/13/25, 5:53 PM

  >Speaking at a Council on Foreign Relations event on Monday, Amodei said that China is known for its “large-scale industrial espionage” and that AI companies like Anthropic are almost certainly being targeted.

  Also from https://www.chinatalk.media/p/anthropics-dario-amodei-on-ai-...

  > Jordan Schneider: We’ve talked about competition from the lens of compute, from the lens of models, but models are created by people. The times I’ve been to NeurIPS, it has been really striking to me just how much Mandarin is spoken at those poster sessions. I’m curious what message you’d have to say to PRC nationals studying in the West who hear this and are like, “Why would I want to work for this guy?"

  > Dario Amodei: I want to be really clear on one thing — I should probably say it even more than I do. When we talk about China, this isn’t about Chinese people versus American people.

  But we'll totally suspect you of being a spy for the PRC

• by czk on 3/13/25, 7:31 PM

  > “Many of these algorithmic secrets, there are $100 million secrets that are a few lines of code"

  I wonder how many western labs have not hesitated to implement techniques revealed openly by DeepSeek.

  DeepSeek has open-sourced arguably more than 100M in value so far, from detailing their inference stack to discussing how they bypassed CUDA to use PTX[0] directly, or even open-sourcing an entire filesystem[1].

  [0] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42859909

  [1] - https://x.com/suchenzang/status/1895437762427560236

• by hoppp on 3/13/25, 8:36 PM

  I doubt that a few lines of code are worth a hundred million , without all the infrastructure Anthropic built to operate its business.

• by heisgone on 3/13/25, 12:47 PM

  They have no moat and want the government to build one.

• by mediumsmart on 3/15/25, 7:40 AM

  This is deep. What is he seeking?

• by ilrwbwrkhv on 3/13/25, 1:53 PM

  Yeah, you know that the company is struggling when they start making comments like this. Which anybody who has any technical knowledge will know to be utter fud.

  What deepseek has done is so much better than anything else in the West that the panic hasn't left yet.