by mwinatschek on 2/20/25, 9:16 AM with 28 comments
Are there steps I can take now to prepare for this possibility? Alternatives like Windows and Android are also American-based, and even Linux has strong ties to the US. What options do I have to ensure access to my devices and data during such an event?
I’d appreciate any advice or strategies for preparing for this kind of situation.
by yeyeyeyeyeyeyee on 2/20/25, 5:08 PM
Essentially, start freezing US dependencies out of your tech stack and take control:
- Run Linux on your machines
- Run GrapheneOS on your mobile
- Select services from this list: https://european-alternatives.eu/
- Keep local and off-line copies of your important data, and maintain frequent backups
- Block companies that comply willingly with unfair practices at your network edge (e.g. with a Pi-hole for DNS-based blocking, and you get ad blocking in addition)
by ipaddr on 2/21/25, 6:16 AM
Debian – France, Germany, Switzerland Ubuntu – United Kingdom Linux Mint – Ireland Manjaro – Germany, Austria, France openSUSE – Germany Zorin OS – Ireland elementary OS – Denmark Kali Linux – Switzerland (formerly Germany) Tails – France Endless OS – Portugal
You can go Canadian: Gentoo Linux – Canada ParrotOS – Canada (initially developed in Italy, but has contributors in Canada) Redcore Linux – Canada LiteOS – Canada
Stay away from these: Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) – USA Fedora – USA CentOS (Discontinued, replaced by CentOS Stream) – USA Rocky Linux – USA AlmaLinux – USA Arch Linux – USA Slackware – USA Pop!_OS – USA Clear Linux – USA Tiny Core Linux – USA
by barriteau on 2/22/25, 10:54 AM
Something as simple as a few bans or sanctions are more than enough to stop you, for example, from using your credit cards to pay for everything you take for granted, call it Netflix, iCloud or even a $0.99 app. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
My advice on this? Be a pragmatic fuck. For example:
#1 Switch to open source or at least free alternatives for everything you can. #2 If you see it coming, temporarily suspend your "good citizen" behaviour and pirate what can't be solved with #1. (assume the risks and learn to deal with them). #3 Stay as local - your house local, not your country/union local - as possible, avoid "the cloud" if possible or create your own if it makes sense for you, a homelab or whatever. #4 Stay as anonymous and low profile as you can; even if you support your government in a conflict situation, they can turn on you in a blink, for the right or wrong reasons. #5 Familiarise yourself with things like Tor, VPNs and anything else that can help you bypass censorship and access blocked sites and services. #6 Consider having additional ISPs as failover options, something as different as possible from your main ISP. #7 Buy stuff to protect your electrical equipment: regulators, protectors, UPS and so on.
I'm not saying you have to do it all, take only what makes sense for you, but keep an open mind and consider that permanent peace and stability could be your lifelong situation if you are lucky, but maybe not. Says the guy who had it.
Trust me on this, I have become something of a cheap prepper, and not because of a war, it's far from that in here; just a few disagreements between governments, a few nationwide bans/prohibitions/sanctions, or a little bit of government incompetence/stupidity, are all you need to start having problems with international payments, problems accessing certain websites and services, problems with your Internet access, and even power outages, it doesn't take too much to start having a shitty digital life.
by yawpitch on 2/20/25, 9:45 AM
by gmuslera on 2/20/25, 12:49 PM
But your digital life is more than just photos. If there is hostility to everything that is US based, then everything made or hosted by US based companies may be compromised in ways that you may not predict now. Apple, Google, Facebook, Amazon, Microsoft, etc may have to comply with government orders, whatever they are.
Linux may be safer from that, you have Suse Linux if you want something supported locally.
by markus_zhang on 2/20/25, 3:40 PM
But in case it does happen, I think Apple is the least of your trouble. I would just stock everything into a hard-disk and store it somewhere underground.
Linux foundation is based in US but I'm sure Europe has enough talented developers to maintain their own branches.
by gfkclzhzo on 2/26/25, 2:05 PM
Credentials - KeepassXC + Aegis/WinAuth
File Sync - Syncthing
Video - Jellyfin
Music - Navidrome
Audiobooks & Podcasts - Audiobookshelf
Books - Calibre Web
Pictures - Immich
Finances - ActualBudget + SimpleFIN
DNS Filter - AdGuard
Email - FowardEmail + Thunderbird and RoundCube
Git server - Forgejo
by not_your_vase on 2/20/25, 12:00 PM
by alp1n3_eth on 2/21/25, 3:20 PM
Back up all of your iCloud(it can be exported). Keep a copy on hand, and keep a copy encrypted in the cloud using something like BackBlaze.
Even though Linux has strong ties to the US, some of the distros aren't wouldn't be completely restricted (I'd wager most of them), and aren't all fully US-based. Keep a copy of Asahi / whatever flavor can run on your Mac handy on a bootable USB stick.
You could grab a cheap android phone as a backup to your current iPhone and flash it with a fork, like Graphene.
The general data protection and backup strategies largely apply and work well for this scenario.
by cutthegrass2 on 2/24/25, 9:11 AM
Boils down to, don't use iCloud - making the assumption that Germany and the rest of the EU countries aren't far behind the UK in authoritarianism and apple will remove ADP from those regions also.
by tryauuum on 2/20/25, 8:02 PM
unlike other operating systems, it's trivial to not have a cloud account on linux. And if you think it will pull some autoupdates from USA you can disable automatic updates with a single command as well.
by beardyw on 2/20/25, 11:30 AM
So far every service I use has a way to download my data. I have been backing them up 4 times a year for several years now. Obviously big stuff which won't change needs to be handled differently to active stuff.
by z3wasoft3r on 2/20/25, 9:40 PM
Chill out. That's not feasible. Europe lacks the military capability to sustain such a war.
Germany is still trying to figure out who was behind the Nord Stream II explosion, isn’t it? Considering that the German elite and political class have already sabotaged their own economy to please the Democrats, why would they behave any differently now? The real turning point came when Germany chose to align with the U.S. in the Ukraine conflict. The tragic irony is that despite the elites sacrificing everything for Washington, the new administration now seeks to push them out entirely and replace them with an outsider nazi Party - the AfD.
It’s wild how nothing went Germany’s way, but given what they did to Greece a decade ago… well, there’s a certain irony in how it all unfolded.
by aborsy on 2/21/25, 8:45 AM
by uscneps on 2/23/25, 11:21 AM
by prophoto on 2/20/25, 10:03 AM