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Nearly half of Steam's users are still using Windows 10

by Sontho on 2/14/25, 4:52 PM with 147 comments

  • by rideontime on 2/14/25, 5:41 PM

    I've been using Windows 11 without much complaint since its release, but off the top of my head, I can't name a single "feature" that would motivate me to upgrade if I were on Windows 10, besides "continued support."
  • by duxup on 2/14/25, 5:45 PM

    I loved using windows for a long time.

    I could strip it down and it performed and stayed out of my way. It wasn't ever pretty, I didn't like a lot of it, but I could just get what I needed out of it.

    Then it started to change, UI / UX had about 20 different flavors. I couldn't find settings anymore. Updates would change settings / undo my explicit settings. Eventually it felt like I was using an ADWARE OS.

    I fled to macOS and haven't looked back. I'm even ok with less local gaming to avoid the windows hassle.

    It's a bit of a sad thing for me. I do think fondly of my "old days windows" experiences in the sense that I was excited about updates and "Start Me Up" always reminds me of a special time in computing that I loved:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRdl1BjTG7c

  • by tombert on 2/14/25, 5:47 PM

    Shows how much of a bubble I live in, most of my friends who play Steam are doing so on Linux with either a Steam Deck or just installing something like ChimeraOS on a desktop and plugging that into the TV.

    I've been so entrenched in the Unixey space for like 13 years that going back to Windows would be a pretty substantial productivity drain in the short term, but I'm not sure I'd want to anyway, simply because gaming on Linux has gotten so good, largely thanks to Valve.

    Like, it cannot be overstated how utterly good Proton is now. It's to a point where I almost never check compatibility, because it's more than likely going to work just fine. GameScope in particular is such wonderful thing in its own right, and it has genuinely made Linux the "Gaming OS" of choice for me.

    I know it's not perfect, my understanding is that there are some games that break with online play with Proton, but for the games I play I have been very happy with Linux.

  • by amima on 2/14/25, 5:49 PM

    I am still using Windows 10. A major reason for me to not upgrade is all the media coverage of ads, user tracking, forced subscriptions and unnecessary AI features in Windows 11. Also, Windows 10 is just plain really good. I do have TPM and strong hardware. Windows 11 reputation is the main concern.
  • by wmil on 2/14/25, 5:30 PM

    It's strange that they are ending Windows 10 support so soon after they stopped selling it. Windows 11 came out October 5, 2021.

    Edge came out in 2015 and they kept supporting IE11 until June 15, 2022.

    Given that the major Windows 11 features were things like introducing a screen grabber to make your passwords and private data vulnerable to theft, it's no wonder people have resisted adopting it.

  • by ch33zer on 2/14/25, 5:28 PM

    Steam users are more likely to be on win 10 than others because they often spend more money on gaming rigs than people buying web browser machine. With the hardware requirements of win 11 (tpm, others) many gamers will not want to throw out their working machines to satisfy Microsoft's hardware demand.
  • by Lunatic666 on 2/14/25, 5:57 PM

    Why should we wait for SteamOS? I’m using Pop_OS! on my gaming machine and can play all new games with the Steam compatibility mode. Baldur’s Gate 3 and Kingdom Come: Deliverance II work perfectly fine. I was quite surprised that there are no problems at all and happy that I can go Windows free now
  • by cafeinux on 2/14/25, 6:15 PM

    My gaming laptop is something like 11 years old and still runs the games I'm interested in with really acceptable graphics.

    I have installed Pop!OS on it and the combo Steam+Proton is great. I've kept my Windows 10 partition to run Skyrim with mods (last time I checked, it didn't run on Linux) and maybe the occasional Proton-incompatible game.

    I tried once to upgrade the W10 partition to W11, and got an error saying that my CPU was not supported.

    The day W10 reaches EOL is the day I finally delete that Windows partition. I could just keep it offline, but I don't really play Skyrim anymore (and worst case, I'll wait for Skyrim to run on Proton). As for the occasional game I can't run on Linux, I'll just pass my way. There's way too many games I still want to play, if editors filter themselves out from my reach, it's not my loss.

  • by Kapura on 2/14/25, 5:54 PM

    I tried moving to Windows 11, discovered that pinning folders in Explorer was bugged to hell, and moved back to 10. All of the features I care to use in windows have been in since Windows 7; moving to 11 broke one of the very few moving parts in my workflow. Horrible experience!

    Combine that with some of the smartest people I know at microsoft telling me that their current task is to add one iframe to the UI to inject more advertising (and that it had taken six months) and I am an active advocate on not upgrading. I have a test gaming system I'm going to install Arch on to prepare for the win10pocalypse.

  • by mcv on 2/14/25, 7:15 PM

    I'm surprised that SteamOS is not listed in the stats. Despite what the article suggests, SteamOS already exists. On the Steam Deck.

    Maybe the number of Steam Decks sold is too small to show up in the statistics? Or maybe it reports as Arch, which is the top category of Linux here.

    In any case, I'd like to express my gratitude for Steam's excellent Linux support. If anyone is going to usher in the year of the Linux Desktop, it's Steam.

  • by petee on 2/14/25, 6:27 PM

    Another reason is older versions of 10 have WMR support; many people who bought a HP Reverb G2 headset aren't ready for it to be a paperweight yet.

    A couple open replacement options are in the works but nothing is 100% compatible yet

  • by ethagnawl on 2/14/25, 5:34 PM

    Windows 10 is the IPV4 of operating systems.
  • by guax on 2/14/25, 5:57 PM

    My PC was never updated because the capable 7700K was not supported by win 11 even with TPM. Microsoft dropped the ball hard on system requirements.
  • by the__alchemist on 2/14/25, 5:37 PM

    How do they deal with not having file browser tabs?!
  • by zitterbewegung on 2/14/25, 6:14 PM

    I have a gaming computer on Windows 10 and I only really play Warframe so I plan on making it stay that way (I'm thinking about locking it totally down and not even browsing the web or move to a cloud service). I really don't like moving to Windows 11 especially with the features I don't want or need.
  • by shaggie76 on 2/15/25, 1:18 AM

    Our game (also on Steam) hasn't discontinued support for 7 yet and our usage stats from last Saturday Feb 8th 2025 are roughly:

      53.6% Windows 11
      43.8% Windows 10
       1.59% WINE
       0.79% Steamdeck
       0.13% Windows 7
       0.03% Windows 8
  • by phendrenad2 on 2/14/25, 6:40 PM

    Not surprised. A lot of gamers are still using high-end motherboards and CPUs they bought 10 years ago, only upgrading the GPU and RAM to play newer games. They probably can't upgrade due to the TPM requirement.
  • by manchmalscott on 2/14/25, 7:22 PM

    I’ve been dual booting windows 10 and arch Linux. I only used windows for running Microsoft flight simulator.

    Instead of upgrading to windows 11, I’m switching to x plane, which has a native Linux build.

  • by michaelcampbell on 2/14/25, 7:40 PM

    I'm sure I'm not alone, but I'm not 11 because Microsoft won't let me.

    My game machine on W10 runs the games I want it to run well enough as well, which is nice.

  • by nalathna on 2/14/25, 6:31 PM

    I haven't upgraded because my ssd needs to be reformatted to meet install requirements and I no longer enjoy the hours of environment config that will entail
  • by serallak on 2/14/25, 5:36 PM

    Wasn't the steam survey heavily skewed towards the multitude of PCs in the internet shops in China?

    I doubt those are regularly updated.

  • by blackeyeblitzar on 2/14/25, 5:55 PM

    How’s the experience of emulating windows for gaming on macOS today? Like on a MacBook pro with their proprietary chip?
  • by maxwell on 2/14/25, 7:24 PM

    I don't plan to upgrade beyond Windows 10 and Mac OS X. If I gotta go to a version 11, it'll be X11.
  • by Spooky23 on 2/14/25, 5:42 PM

    11 is pretty underwhelming. There’s some goodies for IT people… otherwise it’s Vista 2
  • by Night_Thastus on 2/14/25, 6:11 PM

    Windows 11 is a massive nothing-burger. The only annoyance is for those who are stuck on older hardware without TPM.

    As for everyone else, it's almost identical to 10 aside from one minor graphical change. Personally I don't get why so many are opposed to it.

  • by lousken on 2/14/25, 7:31 PM

    it's the last operating system
  • by sitzkrieg on 2/14/25, 10:42 PM

    windows 10 LTSC forever!