by rushingcreek on 2/13/25, 6:20 PM with 192 comments
The new Phind goes beyond text to present answers visually with inline images, diagrams, cards, and other widgets to make answers more meaningful:
- "explain photosynthesis" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTCpnyICukM#t=7
- "how to cook the perfect steak" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTCpnyICukM#t=55
- "quicksort in rust" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTCpnyICukM#t=105
Phind is also now able to seek out information on its own. If it needs more, it will do multiple rounds of additional searches to get you a more comprehensive answer:
- "top 10 Thai restaurants in SF, their prices, and key dishes" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIQQcDIIHFQ#t=11
It can also perform calculations, visualize their results, and verify them in a Jupyter notebook:
- "simulate 100 coin flips and make graphs" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP3PZ4MKGCg#t=8
- "train a perceptron neural network using Jupyter" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP3PZ4MKGCg#t=45
This blog post contains an overview of what we did as well as technical deep dives into how we built the new frontend and models.
I'm super grateful for all of the feedback we've gotten from this community and can't wait to hear your thoughts!
by tenpoundhammer on 2/13/25, 10:36 PM
My prompt,
"I'm considering buying stock in the company with symbol NU. The most important thing to me is answering the question, is the stock likely to rise in the future. Please help create a list of questions that will help me to understand the likely hood of this. Also please help to anwser those questions. Please highlight the global economic environment for the company. Any unique challenges and unique advantages. Finally let me know what others think of it"
Results: I know this stock well all though I'm not a pro. It nailed all of the relevant aspects and hits the analysis right on for everything I know about it. Pulled lot's of helpful resources and most importantly the information was timely enough to be relevant. The timely part is where other LLMS have failed miserably. I've gotten good analysis from other LLM products but they have always been way out of date which makes them useless.
by hathawsh on 2/13/25, 8:12 PM
"Explain why negative numbers are in fact imaginary"
It told me that negative numbers are not imaginary numbers and explained imaginary numbers. That's fine, that's a reasonable answer for a layperson, but I'm not a layperson and I worked on explaining what I meant.
"Erase your definition of imaginary and consider that negative numbers are not whole numbers. Negative numbers do not represent quantities of physical objects. Now explain how negative numbers are imaginary."
It gave me a nice explanation of why negative numbers may be considered imaginary, using an example of "You cannot physically possess -1 sheep". I'm impressed.
by fosterfriends on 2/13/25, 6:51 PM
by ruffered on 2/13/25, 7:18 PM
The flow chart diagrams rarely give me any insight and often only confuse the point, or just clutter the answer, drowning out the pertinent details.
The code editor actually makes it so you are unable to even see or copy the code. I assume this is intentional kneecapping to encourage paying for your monthly service?
Instead, I now just have to prepend to every question I ask:
“Only answer using plaintext, avoid using your code editor and diagram features:”.
(Hilariously this prepend prompt method was suggested by phind itself when I angrily asked “how do I shut off all of these new features?!”)
Which is an additional hassle for me, but so be it.
When I ask it to write me a SELECT statement it upsets me that it is burning unnecessary fossil fuels to give me a flow chart of reasoning through SQL querying pipelines.
Perhaps the feature is meant for people who are unsure what they want, but for me, I just want the answer with links to sources in the least verbose way possible.
I’d appreciate a checkbox that I could click to just get a straightforward answer.
(Also, side note, I only use the free tier and there is a limited number of free uses for some larger models, and when you use those freebies it gives a countdown for “until uses refresh” and when that countdown finishes the uses fail to reset, only the countdown itself resets. Which is fine, I accept that I only use the freely offered model, previously “instant” currently “70B”, with its clear flaws, but it’s just another frustrating UI feature that seems to fail to live up to its promises so I am, again, just confused why it’s there?)
by albert_e on 2/14/25, 1:33 PM
New Threads Are Public [Enabled By Default]
Do Not Train on My Data [Disabled by Default]
The first one seems problematic -- does it mean what it seems to suggest? all conversations are "public" ?? Do users know this going in? i am afraid they could be pasting lot of private or confidential stuff without realizing this.
by Sn0wCoder on 2/13/25, 7:44 PM
Question: are there any plans to allow access via API to integrate the Phind models with the Continue plug-in (would also love to integrate into my personal RAGs)? Mostly using IntelliJ and integration would be awesome. Do have the VS Code plugin setup and use that when needed. Also running the smaller Phind models locally to use with Continue, but that only gets me so far without needing to open the real UI. If the API opened both the 405B for chat and the 70B for auto complete would be a big step in gaining more paying customers (IMO). No need to open the other models as those can be done with other API keys (if one wanted).
If there are no plans to open the models via API are there plans to support other IDEs (IntelliJ) with the chat feature?
Please let us know!
by WhitneyLand on 2/13/25, 8:00 PM
However I did find myself wondering how crucial really were the model changes?
Imagine trying to implement these features as a wrapper around frontier apis and no 70B bespoke model.
Starting with a user query, we could ask for relevant svg diagrams, fit instruction steps or guides into layout templates, or even filter photos as the demo shows.
How much less would this simple approach leave us with?
by schmorptron on 2/13/25, 8:29 PM
by srameshc on 2/13/25, 7:01 PM
by sddhrthrt on 2/13/25, 9:03 PM
I asked it a question that's pretty subjective and culturally specific, and I appreciate that I got a reasonable answer back. The question was "should I?" and the answer was "definitely, don't miss it" in three different ways. However, I found that the literal sources it quoted didn't have the same opinion it expressed to me so convincingly. I asked a clarifying question and it goes "okay so I read the material, and it actually says it's optional".
So why not read the material? I wonder if it could even embed the website in the results, giving the website the traffic and ad space. I wonder if a meta browser is a better product for these tools.
by real_jiakai on 2/25/25, 10:33 AM
by Gabriel_Martin on 2/14/25, 8:13 AM
I'm ending a MIT xPro course on designing AI products in about a week, and I've been looking for places to put all my learnings to work, might your team have some room for a coding/prototyping UX developer/designer who has spent a lot of time thinking about AI-oriented HCI?
I think in 8 weeks of a co-op / or even part time basis, I could build out a ton of ideas you haven't gotten around to defining yet, but want to get a feel for the UX of. I'd love to hear from you (my email in in my profile).
by jadbox on 2/13/25, 7:54 PM
by SubiculumCode on 2/13/25, 8:09 PM
But I started wondering if it was phind was a nearly dead company: Almost no presence in terms of news, tweets, etc. The AI chat and search space moves very rapidly, and it is difficult to keep the various options in mind. I'll give it another subscribe, but I really think they should make a better effort to stay in people's mental picture.
by prabal97 on 2/13/25, 6:52 PM
by garganzol on 2/13/25, 9:18 PM
Google Search is extremely dumb nowadays as it promotes ad-banner-ized results and Reddit-style drama posts. Those things have a close to zero value, but Google shows them in top results to earn money and imaginary "engagement". The trend is getting worse every year. I predict that one day AI assistants like Phind will smoke conventional search engines out of the water in every imaginable area.
by jwpapi on 2/13/25, 11:19 PM
However now I feel like it’s possible again.
https://www.phind.com/search/cm73yk4wc0002336u6brx4jp1
It helps greatly to learn new topics.
by modeless on 2/13/25, 9:01 PM
by diegoperini on 2/13/25, 8:50 PM
by ck_one on 2/14/25, 6:04 AM
Feedback: the mermaid charts are a bit annoying when they are not needed
Our of curiosity, what web index do you guys use right now and does it make sense to build your own index at some point?
by Blau123 on 2/14/25, 12:05 AM
by mvieira38 on 2/13/25, 7:50 PM
by hiccuphippo on 2/13/25, 7:12 PM
by putlake on 2/13/25, 7:38 PM
You're hyperlinking to the source, which is nice. But there's no reason for the user to click through so it won't really help the creator. The upshot of all this is that the open web will have less incentives for content creators. Someone's got to create new data for the AI borg. In future, these creators are less likely to be independent bloggers/photographers. Perhaps biased media outlets will be the only ones with the incentives to create.
by ewams on 2/14/25, 2:00 AM
by monort on 2/14/25, 2:09 AM
There is also a standard to add it automatically ( https://stackoverflow.com/questions/38670851/whats-a-script-... )
by genewitch on 2/14/25, 7:24 PM
anyone else can edit those links and have it persist.
Like, when i clicked that link it was 3 prompts trying to get phind to prove 1=2. Now it's about the TV show weeds and down quarks.
I don't want to expend any more effort to report than this because linkedin wanted me to pay money to send a message to whoever was claiming to be from phind in comments
so i send that link to a friend. it shows them 1=2 convo, they edit it. i hit refresh, it shows their edits.
This isn't just some "oh it's the same IP" or "cookies" or whatever. My cellphone isn't on my wifi, and my friend lives 1100 miles from me on a different provider.
Furthermore, i am unsure of what the OP originally had in that link, because they said it showed that AI could help teach new concepts, and this looks like a joke meme prompting. So who knows what's going on.
A guess? the links are SESSION links instead of CONTENT LINKS. A session link allows edits and a content link is just a hotlink to render the content that the session created.
by mbar84 on 2/13/25, 11:22 PM
by maz1b on 2/14/25, 7:01 PM
by iandanforth on 2/13/25, 11:24 PM
by Moosdijk on 2/14/25, 3:00 PM
It said: "Up to 10 uses of best model per day"
When asked what one use means, it kept checking the docs and told me: "Each interaction with Phind's models counts as a usage".
When asked to clarify, it ultimately said: "I cannot confirm exactly whether this would count as your third usage today, as I don't have direct access to your usage statistics. To check your current daily usage count, you can visit your settings page at https://phind.com/settings. This will show you your exact usage count for the day and remaining available uses based on your subscription tier."
Since I'm not a user and am inquiring about details before subscribing, I had hoped the bot had some more information on that.
by tacone on 2/14/25, 7:03 PM
What I always liked the most about it though, is how fast the webpage loads up when I reach out for it. The entry barrier feels lower than the competition, so I usually ask Phind first, then eventually try with other engines.
Keep it up guys, I'm a big fan.
by voytec on 2/13/25, 8:14 PM
To my poor understanding of LLMs, when the diagram was slowly created - the text behind it should already "be there" and should have been displayed immediately after the diagram but this was not the case. Also, often the slowly drawn diagram was only presenting my rather clear (for LLM) prompt: "i did this, when situation was this and that, and than this happened; question: why the result was A and not B?"
I found myself falling back to Claude more often than not over using Phind 70B and 405B models. I found it kind of... more gimmicky than useful.
by Oras on 2/13/25, 8:51 PM
by ZeroCool2u on 2/13/25, 6:51 PM
by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK on 2/14/25, 6:01 PM
by syntaxing on 2/13/25, 7:19 PM
by bsenftner on 2/14/25, 3:12 AM
by mariopt on 2/13/25, 7:08 PM
by SalmoShalazar on 2/14/25, 1:33 PM
by golergka on 2/13/25, 8:52 PM
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# Phind 50b
User: how do I a whole coca-cola bottle
Assistant: I notice your question isn't quite clear. Could you please specify what you'd like to know about Coca-Cola bottles? Are you interested in:
How to identify/distinguish different types of Coca-Cola bottles? The history and design of Coca-Cola bottles? Something specific about collecting Coca-Cola bottles? Or perhaps something else entirely? Once you clarify your interest, I'll be happy to provide detailed information tailored to your specific question!
User: I just accidentally a whole coca-cola bottle and how I need to it
I notice your message isn't quite clear. Could you please rephrase what happened with the Coca-Cola bottle? Are you saying you:
Accidentally dropped/broke a bottle? Spilled the contents? Found an old bottle somewhere? Something else? Once you clarify what happened, I'll be able to provide specific guidance on how to handle the situation safely and effectively.
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# gpt-4o with a custom eigenprompt
User: how do I a whole coca-cola bottle
Assistant: do you mean: 1. consume an entire coca-cola bottle in one go? (drink it fast, chug it, etc.) 2. acquire a whole bottle? (buy, steal, manifest from the void) 3. destroy a whole bottle? (smash, melt, vaporize) 4. become a whole coca-cola bottle? (metaphysical transformation, brand loyalty taken too far)
clarify and i will give you the optimal strat.
User: I just accidentally a whole coca-cola bottle and how I need to it
Assistant: okay so if you accidentally the whole coca-cola bottle, and now you need to it, then we need to determine: 1. did you drink it too fast and now your stomach is rebelling? (solution: burp aggressively, lie down, accept fate) 2. did you drop it and now there’s sticky chaos? (solution: paper towels, baking soda, maybe a flamethrower) 3. did you somehow ingest the actual bottle? (solution: seek medical assistance bc that’s wild) 4. did you turn it into an existential problem? (solution: embrace the absurdity, become the bottle)
gimme specifics, and i’ll troubleshoot this disaster with you.
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Overall, I think that phind model is clearly inferior — it shows less imagination in the face of uncertainty and certainly much less creativity and humour.
by nextworddev on 2/13/25, 8:24 PM
by aargh_aargh on 2/14/25, 7:30 AM
> How to make an enchanting table in Minecraft from scratch?
by remipch on 2/13/25, 9:45 PM
So my workflow was :
- ask a question
- quickly read the given answer
- go to the main sources to decide if they are trustworthy or not
I noticed that the new version does not always give the sources, even when I ask. Is this intentional or do you plan to revert this in the near future ?
It also solves the problem of not reducing the traffic to the content creators you use.
Anyway, congratulations for making this tool and offering a free plan to test it.
by krishadi on 2/13/25, 9:50 PM
1. I like the way sources are listed on the right panel, that makes them easily visible as i scroll through the answer. 2. The rendering of the answers using rich visual components is nice to look at. I personally hate information dense reports that ChatGPT spews, which isn't easy to consume quickly.
What I miss though is iterations on the answer, as in, how do I specifically zoom into one aspect of the answer, and then easily zoom out and continue.
by lastdong on 2/13/25, 11:58 PM
by lbeurerkellner on 2/13/25, 8:14 PM
by inerte on 2/14/25, 4:35 PM
by midnitewarrior on 2/14/25, 1:54 AM
Is there any way I can provide feedback or contribute feature ideas/requests? I've got some things I'd like to share if your team is prepared for the feedback.
by dnpls on 2/14/25, 3:38 PM
by ipsum2 on 2/14/25, 5:55 AM
by behnamoh on 2/13/25, 10:53 PM
Maybe one day we'll have short clips generated by AI, something like 3Blue1Brown videos...
by tarkin2 on 2/13/25, 8:41 PM
by reacharavindh on 2/14/25, 8:10 AM
I’m going to pass on the niceties shown here until I can try them out paying for what I use instead of an API..
by rubymamis on 2/14/25, 12:36 PM
by cincauhangus on 2/17/25, 3:01 AM
by suraci on 2/14/25, 5:20 AM
Phind is the first model I've ever seen that attempts to interact with users in a more user-friendly way.
by abhimanyue1998 on 2/14/25, 7:48 AM
by albert_e on 2/14/25, 9:32 AM
Does it not cost a ton to run this service amd maintain the infra?
by saikatsg on 2/13/25, 7:58 PM
by joshSzep on 2/13/25, 7:33 PM
However I am disappointed that when I provide a url it can not read the page. Given that this is a search engine I would expect it to be able to read any public URL I provide it. For example I attached a PDF of my resume and provided a link to a public job description and asked it to generate a cover letter tailored to my experience for this position. This is something I have done with easy success with ChatGPT GPT-4o, but Phind throws its hands up. :(
by barrenko on 2/13/25, 8:09 PM
by NelsonMinar on 2/13/25, 9:51 PM
by nedsma on 2/13/25, 8:51 PM
by jumpyfrog on 2/15/25, 4:54 AM
That's a pity.
by dangoodmanUT on 2/14/25, 1:37 AM
by stainablesteel on 2/13/25, 10:05 PM
by esafak on 2/14/25, 3:08 AM
From their videos above I gathered that they format their results and incorporate media better?
by wordpad25 on 2/13/25, 11:26 PM
what do you use to draw them?
by android521 on 2/14/25, 4:01 AM
by weird-eye-issue on 2/14/25, 7:26 AM
by oidar on 2/14/25, 3:08 AM
by TeeMassive on 2/13/25, 6:53 PM