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The Tragedy of Safari (2021)

by bentocorp on 2/10/25, 10:07 PM with 7 comments

• by LinuxAmbulance on 2/14/25, 5:17 PM

  Safari exists only to allow me to download Firefox, much like IE / Edge. Joking, but not entirely.

  I love my Macbook, but every time I've used Safari, it's felt clunky and more awkward to use than Firefox or Chrome.

• by theragra on 2/14/25, 9:46 PM

  Respect? I remember when I got my first and last iPhone - 3g - I found that safari cannot reflow page text to the phone screen. Either tiny zoom and unreabable text, or constant horizontal scrolling.

  Even first primitive android browser on motorola can do that.

  Since then, I lost all respect for apple and never had an iphone.

  And this, imo, is as basic feature, as they get. It is needed by any person with non ideal eyesight for any non responsive page, which for along time was the majority of them.

• by Arainach on 2/14/25, 5:01 PM

  Safari gets far more respect than it deserves. Its refusal to implement standards and features (while being installed on sufficient devices) holds the web ecosystem back in the same way IE6 did. Safari is a painful nuisance, and we'd all be better off if Apple just shipped Firefox on their devices.

  (I work for a company that makes a browser that is neither Firefox nor Safari, all opinions solely my own)

• by tangue on 2/14/25, 4:28 PM

  I support the conclusion, but khtml should have been mentioned somewhere.

• by themadturk on 2/10/25, 11:21 PM

  Ugh, sorry, the grammatical issue with this article made it difficult to read, though the actual content may be valuable.