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Nearly 90% of our AI crawler traffic is from ByteDance

by jcat123 on 10/31/24, 6:09 PM with 43 comments

• by mmastrac on 10/31/24, 6:29 PM

  I found that I was getting random bot attacks on progscrape.com with no identifiable bot signature (ie: a signature matching a valid Chrome Desktop client), but at a rate that was only possible via bot. I ended up having to add token buckets by IP/User Agent to help avoid this deluge of traffic.

  Agents that trigger the first level of rate-limiting go through a "tarpit" that holds their connection for a bit before serving it which seems to keep most of the bad actors in check. It's impossible to block them via robots.txt, and I'm trying to avoid using too big of a hammer on my CloudFlare settings.

  EDIT: checking the logs, it seems that the only bot getting tarpitted right now is OpenAI, and they _do_ have a GPTBot signature:

      2024-10-31T02:30:23.312139Z  WARN progscrape::web: User hit soft rate limit: ratelimit=soft ip="20.171.206.77" browser=Some("Mozilla/5.0 AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko; compatible; GPTBot/1.2; +https://openai.com/gptbot)") method=GET uri=/?search=science.org

• by jhpacker on 10/31/24, 6:26 PM

  Cloudflare radar, which presumably a much bigger and better sample, reports Bytespider as the #5 AI Crawler behind FB, Amazon, GPTBot, and Google: https://radar.cloudflare.com/explorer?dataSet=ai.bots And that's not including the most of highest volume spiders overall like Googlebot, Bingbot, Yandex, Ahrefs, etc.

  Not to say it isn't an issue, but that Forture article they reference is pretty alarmist and thin on detail.

• by neilv on 10/31/24, 6:54 PM

  Given the high-profile national security scrutiny that ByteDance was already in over TikTok, and now with the AI training competitiveness on national authorities' minds, maybe this behavior by ByteDance is on the radar of someone who's thinking of whether CFAA or other regulation applies.

  As someone who's built multiple (respectful) Web crawlers, for academic research and for respectable commerce, I'm wondering whether abusers are going to make it harder for legitimate crawlers to operate.

• by wtf242 on 10/31/24, 6:31 PM

  I had the same issue with TikTok/ByteDance. They were using almost 100gb of my traffic per month.

  I now block all ai crawlers at the cloudflare WAF level. On Monday I noticed a HUGE spike in traffic and my site was not handling it well. After a lot of troubleshooting and log parsing, I was getting millions of requests from China that were getting past cloudflare's bot protection.

  I ended up having to force a CF managed challenge for the entire country of China to get my site back in a normal working state.

  In the past 24 hours CF has blocked 1.66M bot requests. Good luck running a site without using CloudFlare or something similar.

  AI crawlers are just out of control

• by PittleyDunkin on 10/31/24, 6:20 PM

  How do you differentiate between "ai" (whatever that means) and other crawlers?

• by odc on 10/31/24, 8:30 PM

  Good to know there are other solutions than Cloudflare to block those leeches.

• by sghiassy on 10/31/24, 6:24 PM

  It’s 90% of 1%… title is misleading

• by yazzku on 10/31/24, 6:22 PM

  tl;dr the crawlers do not respect robots.txt or the user agent anymore, but you can drop big bucks on the enterprise HA offering to stop them through other means.