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Scratches in 2001: A Space Osyssey (2018)

by hyperific on 10/20/24, 6:33 AM with 53 comments

  • by shawa_a_a on 10/20/24, 1:44 PM

    In the spirit of scratches, it was only at a recent 70mm film screening that I spotted the rig used for the floating pen scene as Floyd falls asleep in the shuttle.

    As the weightlessness begins, his pen floats away - if you look really really carefully you can spot that it’s actually embedded in a thin plastic film which is rotating about an axis, given away by minute scratches on its surface.

  • by JKCalhoun on 10/20/24, 2:19 PM

    BTW, there is a YouTube user (1) that has created "video loops" that look like these displays from the film that you could use as a screensaver or what-have-you. Very cool.

    1) https://www.youtube.com/@TheHALProject

  • by rwmj on 10/20/24, 12:25 PM

    What's interesting is that Kubrick, famous for 100 takes to get everything right, didn't spot this, or if he did was unable/unwilling to fix it.
  • by yawpitch on 10/20/24, 2:12 PM

    > Today, [Douglas] Trumbull is a highly regarded special effects supervisor

    Love this article and its maniacal detail orientation, but man what an understatement; the late Doug Trumbull is highly regarded, in the SFX/VFX context in much the same way as Einstein was a highly regarded physicist.

  • by pndy on 10/20/24, 3:29 PM

    These computer screens, readouts in 2001 are fascinating - there's focus on the information, a little bit of graphic there and here and nothing else. Probably HAL manages the rest.

    If AI will become the basic form of interaction with computers then perhaps our interfaces will be simplified as well - at least for the mass-market end users.

    The other GUI I really like is MAGI from Evangelion - all these black screens with classic amber color accompanied by red, green and teal fit very well together - especially with the volumetric-holographic displays from new tetralogy

  • by mikepalmer on 10/20/24, 9:57 AM

    Love this. The adhd spirit is inspiring.

    Right at the end of the article: "There is also an extra colon mark in the line just below." pretty sure that's a semicolon!

  • by 486sx33 on 10/21/24, 10:44 AM

    I always thought the scratches and glitches were an indicator to the viewer that “something” was going wrong with the “system”. Later when HAL goes nuts it sort of all ties together? There is a fair amount of narrative about some kind of unknown problems “up there”. Maybe the scratches are intentional or left in the film on purpose
  • by Aardwolf on 10/20/24, 9:46 AM

    This seems to require some preexisting knowledge on forensics of scratches on film reels, or something, and I have trouble following the article. Is there a TL;DR of what exactly the main message is, is there anything special proven by these scratches or anything that's different than other films?
  • by vertnerd on 10/20/24, 1:44 PM

    Now I have to watch it again. How did I never notice.. ?

    I thought this was going to be about the other scratches that are visible in the film: the ones on the piece of glass that is used to create the illusion of a floating pen. I never noticed that until I saw my first screening of a pristine 70 mm print in a smallish theater. I was hoping to read about that and any other physical scratches I might have missed.

  • by m463 on 10/20/24, 10:21 PM

    Is this article out-of-date?

    There is a (wonderful) 2001 4k uhd disk that has come out that is unmentioned.

    EDIT: December, 2018

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07KH8W76F

  • by JKCalhoun on 10/20/24, 2:00 PM

    Fascinating that this film continues to draw attention.

    Watching it again recently in BluRay I noticed that the Moonbus cockpit has nixie tubes near the joysticks. (Must have been an older model.)

  • by seriocomic on 10/21/24, 10:21 AM

    It's this type of deep analysis of such an inconsequential piece of relative trivia that gives me the warm fuzzies about why the internet exists. For someone who only just recently watched the film for the first time (with my kids as an ongoing introduction to cultural references) this movie was surprising in so many ways - and this was another!
  • by mmsc on 10/20/24, 9:45 AM

  • by derbOac on 10/20/24, 11:26 PM

    This was an interesting tidbit about the film but my guess is, even if I did process the scratches, they'd probably register as glitches or something, due to radiation or who knows what. At some level it seems consistent with the plot thread surrounding HAL.
  • by jl6 on 10/20/24, 9:15 PM

    Wow, it hadn’t even occurred to me to think that in 1965 they wouldn’t have had computer monitors capable of displaying those images, and would have had to fake it by projecting the image from behind.
  • by deafpolygon on 10/21/24, 4:14 AM

    What are "scratches"? For the film illiterate.
  • by nsxwolf on 10/20/24, 8:33 PM

    I wonder if they are on the CED version.
  • by DonHopkins on 10/21/24, 1:41 AM

    A Space Xyzzy
  • by _wire_ on 10/20/24, 6:33 PM

    SPOILER ALERT WHAT'S SEEN CANNOT BE UNSEEN

    Much regard heaped upon 2001's effects, including the zero-G sequences, but if you just watch the people, they are so obviously carrying their own weight and the weight of objects: the posture and movement yells 1-G at you from the screen. When the stewardess reclaims the floating pen, she's balancing her weight with each step and touching the seat backs for support, then stoops and leans. In the ship crossing to the moon, the stewardess is walking and her hips sway to her weight with each step and her feet compress. The food trays slide out of kitchen console by gravity. When the trays are delivered to the flight staff, one reach out his hand under a tray to steady it from below. When an officer visits crew in the cabin, he comes up from behind their seats, leans in to talk and rests his arms on the seatbacks. As food is sipped through clear straws, it rises and falls with G pressure. Floyd stands with his own weight in contemplation before the long instructions for the zero-G toilet. In the Discovery, spacesuits hang from the wall and the crew sit at the table to perform the antenna-module diagnostic.

    The toilet instructions are a static print on plastic with a backlight. The joke about the length of the instructions is now lost to absurdity of the display.

    On the moon, the excavation of the monolith is surrounded with floodlights that reveal a distinct atmospheric haze.

    The camera used at the excavation site is beautifully retro. That it's used to take a group photo is quaint, especially when you consider more modern ideas like the survey "pups" deployed to map the site of the Engineers' spacecraft in the movie Prometheus.

    While 2001 has been one of the most affecting movie experiences of my life— I first saw it by myself in a nearly empty large auditorium in 1972 at the age of 10 and have seen it maybe 10 more times since 2001's effects seem more prosaic with every viewing and my mind wanders into disbelief about the entire mis-en-scene. Eroding amazement is replaced by a fascination with how quickly a fantasy about an amazing future has become retro in its fashion.

    The Stargate crossing seemed like one of the weaker elements in the movies heyday, but to me it's holding up better than most other design elements. The ape costumes are holding up uncannily well, as do the intro landscapes. Other elements are quirky: the mule painted like a zebra, the vastly over-complicated landing pad on the moon with the pizza-slices retractable dome, the clouds of dust swirling at the landing, and the absurdly ornate elevator than descends beneath the moon surface. Hal's memory closet with arrays of keyed optical modules that slowly eject to inconsistent extents. The oddly opaque schematics and diagnostics for the Discovey's "malfunctioning" antenna unit. The external air supply hose for the space suit. The extendable pads for the pods. The chain of blocks design for the Discovery, with the large off-axis mass of the antenna. Why is a pod needed to reach the antenna? Etc, on and on.

    The ultimate movie about the future of mankind is now a beautiful relic.

    With every viewing of 2001 I recall with more appreciation Andrei Tarkovsky's lament about what he might have been able to achieve with his Solaris if he had access to the kind of wealth available to Kubrick.

  • by bloqs on 10/20/24, 10:55 AM

    I commend the effort, though I'm not sure if I'm commending the author or their Adderal prescription