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Brutal Startup Failure

by theHolyTrynity on 9/30/24, 3:36 PM with 28 comments

My first (vc backed) startep failed after three years.

We started in 2021, working in crypto. Looking back to the time we got started, I made some serious foundational errors: - Selling 40% of the company at preseed for 1.2mln and signing a predatory shareholder agreement - Trusting a co-founder relationship which never really worked, hoping to fix it along time

But 1.2mln$ in the bank made me forget about these issues. Started to work on the business heads down.

After 18 months of iterating, things were finally moving. Our vision became clearer, and we got into a well-known accelerator. But that’s when everything started to unravel.

My relationship with my co-founder began to deteriorate rapidly. I felt like I was doing everything—closing clients, managing product, handling content, brand, fundraising—you name it.

My co-founder, on the other hand, wasn’t pulling his weight. His network and skills weren’t contributing to the startup’s success. I raised these issues multiple times, and each time he made promises that he would step up and deliver. But in reality, anything he touched would underperform.

Eventually, the investor and I decided to revoke his powers. That's when the nightmare began: a drawn-out legal battle that lasted 12 months (one third of the startup life).

My biggest mistake was not thinking long-term. I didn’t fully grasp the fact that I was locked into a relationship with this co-founder for the next 5 / 10 years, with him owning 30% of the company and having no intention of selling. His ego was bruised, and I was overly confident that I could fix everything by just working harder on the business.

That led me into a nearly unbearable situation: - I was working myself to the bone, with a very low salary - I owned less than 30% of the company. The rest of the team had little to no equity. - 70% of the company was split between an investor with no clear value-add and a co-founder ready to go to war.

On top of that, the investor still owed us money and refused to invest further. They helped me fire the co-founder, but after that, it was radio silence. I couldn’t even raise new money with this cap table. The only way out was to negotiate a deal: - The investor would give up some of their shares. - The investor would provide the promised funding. - My co-founder would sell at a reasonable price based on what we had in the bank.

But months of negotiations went nowhere. The co-founder demanded 10x what we could afford and threatened to sue the investor. The investor, on their part, refused to inject more capital into the company.

Despite all this chaos, we actually reached break-even, but the co-founder’s constant weekly threats and harassment drove me to a dark place. My stress levels became unbearable, and I lost all enthusiasm.

Eventually, I made my final offer to the co-founder: "Take $150k now, or we shut down the business." In a formal shareholder meeting, he not only rejected the offer, but called it ridiculous. That’s when I snapped. I hired a lawyer and resigned. The company shut down. 10 employees fired.

Huge. Fucking. Failure.

Now, my co-founder is suing the investor and walking away with around $100k from the settlement. Meanwhile, I walk away with nothing, except lawyer fees.

Lessons Get the foundation right. Product market fit is achievable with time and the right team. The foundation is much harder to change later.

  • by ANarrativeApe on 9/30/24, 8:12 PM

    This happens way more often than you might think. Congratulations on surviving to tell the tale, and best of luck with your next venture. These lessons will stand you in good stead, provided you recognize that this is only one way to kill a startup. Trust me, there are oh so many more...

    (and product market fit is a necessary condition, but unfair advantage is where it is at)

  • by carlosjobim on 9/30/24, 9:08 PM

    > The co-founder demanded 10x what we could afford and threatened to sue the investor.

    When this happens, you have to invert the offer and say that he can pay you that amount for you to leave instead.

  • by bitbasher on 10/1/24, 4:55 PM

    Sounds like a solid learning experience.

    It's also why I am incredibly hesitant to have a co-founder and it's why I went the bootstrapped approach instead of VC funding from the start.

  • by uptownfunk on 10/1/24, 8:20 PM

    It sucks, the people are everything. Integrity and execution are the main ingredients. The rest is luck. But no integrity or no execution and you implode. You literally just need integrity and execution.
  • by jyu on 10/3/24, 8:47 PM

    sorry to hear the stress that your cofounder caused. how did you know them before the venture?

    cofounder arguments are common, esp in crypto. for your next venture, it's better to have a cofounder agreement with vesting schedule in place. once someone becomes irrational and unreasonable, it's a sign to get lawyers involved.

    dont be too hard on yourself, happens to the best of us.

  • by moomoo11 on 10/3/24, 5:15 AM

    That's brutal man, wish you better luck ahead.

    Granted I've only got started on this journey a few months ago, but I tried to find a co-founder and failed 3 times to find someone who I can trust and is capable. I think I'm just going to do it myself because counting on someone else at this stage while giving up significant equity to a bozo is a recipe for disaster.

  • by rkowal on 10/2/24, 4:31 AM

    This - co-founder conflict - is the #1 reason startups fail. Went through something very similar 2023-2024: legal, emotional drama, conflict, losing $$$ (legal, putting $$ into the company), another co-founder leaving

    it's hard and brutal especially for first-time cofounders, but it's part of the process

  • by wpietri on 10/3/24, 9:00 PM

    If you're still reading this, could you say more about how you found your co-founder?

    And do you have thoughts on how next time you'd go about picking one differently?

  • by yellow_lead on 10/2/24, 3:06 PM

    Sad to see this but thanks for posting as a cautionary tale. I think you made the right decision to resign. Hope you take care of your mental health and have some much needed rest!
  • by flaterff on 10/3/24, 11:29 AM

    As an aside did you get some salary while working on it. Are investors happy for some of the 1.2m to be founder salary. Asking for a friend.
  • by excellentWeb2 on 9/30/24, 3:37 PM

    why was it so hard to find a deal with the cofounder?
  • by noworriesnate on 9/30/24, 9:59 PM

    What about just founding the next one alone? Will VCs still invest in that?