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The Untold Story of How US Spies Sabotaged Soviet Technology

by robg on 8/4/24, 12:26 PM with 90 comments

  • by flohofwoe on 8/4/24, 3:59 PM

    Regarding the microelectronics industry behind the Iron Curtain, this is a well researched video by Asianometry, which actually contains a couple of details (unlike the Politico article) about the spycraft involved:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxrkC-pMH_s

    (based on the first-person account book 'Deckname Saale' by Gerhardt Ronneberger)

  • by causality0 on 8/4/24, 3:07 PM

    I feel let down. The article is about a million pages of how the US set up the deception of fooling the Soviets into buying sabotaged equipment with zero details of how equipment was sabotaged or even which equipment specifically. Nice if you like political cloak and dagger but I was hoping for cool sabotage engineering stories.
  • by Yawrehto on 8/4/24, 2:21 PM

    Years before this operation, we were stealing Soviet technology.

    It was 1959, two years after the USSR had launched Sputnik. The USSR was showing off its achievements to other countries. Most were uninteresting, at least to the US government (in a country with electricity, stealing models of power stations would've done little good), but one was quite interesting: the Lunik spacecraft. It had to be a model, the CIA figured. After all, the Soviets had to have known Americans would've looked at that and tried to steal it, or at least figure out how it was made. Models were safer. But American agents figured it wouldn't hurt to look, and they found that it was a real one, albeit with some critical parts, like the engine, removed.

    But you can't just saunter in during the exhibition and steal it, for fairly obvious reasons. The key was that it was a traveling exhibition, and as it was being transported, via some maneuvering and some possible/probable kidnapping of truck drivers (Sydney W. Finer notes the truck driver was "escorted to a hotel room and kept there for the night" on page 36 of his article[1] on it), the CIA managed to gain access to it.

    After getting the all-clear to start, and, at one point, being scared witless by a possible ambush (it was people lighting the lamps, as was regularly scheduled), they opened the box carefully and began taking photographs of it. They took photographs or made drawings of everything, taking small amounts of things for study. Then they put it all back together and, eventually, gave it back to the original driver. They did their job hiding it well. In 1967, according to Finer's article (final page), there was "no indication the Soviets ever discovered that the Lunik was borrowed for a night."

    The CIA has now declassified some documents on it[2], referring to it, somewhat euphemistically, as a 'loan' or 'borrowing' rather than 'theft'.

    [1]https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/THE%20KIDNAPING%20OF%20...

    [2] https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/collection/lunik-loan-space-...

  • by gostsamo on 8/4/24, 1:45 PM

    At the end of day though, Bulgaria developed rather vibrant computer industry based on smuggled and copied western tech. Not sure how this operation affected it, but it won't be surprising if it was a net benefit.

    Edit: hm, I'm not sure who would be offended by the facts, but HN has a few stories about the bulgarian computer industry and how it was happily humming until 1989.

  • by TomMasz on 8/4/24, 7:56 PM

    In the mid-80s the company I worked for, which made process control systems, had some Russians in for a tour of the engineering facility. We were using the Motorola 68000 processors in a new system and we told to cover every board that had one on it so they couldn't see it. No problem with the 8-bit processors, though. Interesting times.
  • by pinewurst on 8/4/24, 2:18 PM

  • by arizen on 8/4/24, 7:32 PM

    It's fascinating to consider how the Cold War's technological arms race wasn't just about who could innovate faster, but also about who could weaponize deception more effectively. The operation described in the Politico article is a stark reminder that the Cold War wasn't just fought with nukes and proxy wars, but also through intricate webs of misinformation and sabotage.

    What strikes me is the dual-edged nature of these operations. While they may have successfully stymied Soviet technological progress, they also pushed the Soviets towards a more cautious and suspicious approach to Western technology, possibly slowing down legitimate collaborations and trust-building that could have benefited both sides.

    This raises an interesting question: In today's context, with global supply chains so interwoven, could such large-scale technological sabotage even be feasible? And if so, how would it impact not just national security, but global economic stability?

    Moreover, considering the evolution of espionage tactics with the advent of cyber warfare, I wonder if we'll look back in a few decades and see similar stories emerging about current technological conflicts. The stakes and methods have changed, but the underlying strategic goals seem eerily similar.

  • by loceng on 8/5/24, 2:36 AM

    This reminds me of the Avro Arrow - the beginning of the gutting of Canada's technology and innovation development: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Canada_CF-105_Arrow

    One day the US President met with the Canadian Prime Minister at the time. The next day the PM scrapped the program, ordered all schematics and documents of the aircraft be destroyed.

    The something like 40,000 engineers mostly then got jobs in the US.

  • by bediger4000 on 8/4/24, 6:18 PM

    "These drives enabled computers to permanently store and retrieve data."

    Interesting that computing has become so thoroughly integrated and invisible that an aside in the article notes this.

  • by thimkerbell on 8/4/24, 3:07 PM

    They're not worried about consequences of this story for the Austrian?
  • by GreggHyram on 8/4/24, 2:07 PM

    Imagine being the poor engineer tasked with making this stuff work on the the other end.
  • by vaxman on 8/6/24, 9:19 PM

    "What is up guys-today we're going to be reviewing <noname super cheap ridiculously fast or spec'ed microcontroller or ME-hacked-Intel-based media/router box from China> and I'm going to show YOU how to put all of your infrastructure on its similarly named, but not completely open source Linux-like operating system using containers, public repositories, public python code bases and even a few unsigned binary blobs .. So let's get started and don't forget to Ring that Bell and Subscribe because I'm helping to destroy Western Civilization!"
  • by yyyfb on 8/4/24, 2:48 PM

    Hopefully something of the sort is happening now with Nvidia chips
  • by OutOfHere on 8/4/24, 6:23 PM

    This is abhorrent behavior from a moral stance. I figure the US has never had a moral upper hand. A morally superior stance would be to shed all hostilities and work toward common goals that enrich everyone's lives - there are many such attainable goals. The mental reptilians among us on both sides, hiding as mammals, can't however let go of hate.