by threadweaver34 on 3/9/24, 4:24 AM with 31 comments
Historically, I've used X1 Carbons. I like that they have just enough ports, are light and repairable, but Windows has started to feel more like an ad platform than an OS. I ended up rolling back to 10 after the 11 upgrade because of all the garbage. I'm also not a WSL fan. It's better than nothing, but it's a pain to manage.
I use a Macbook at work. It's ok. It's nice that the OS is actually an OS, and being Unix-like is a plus. I don't like Apple's history of dropping OS support after 5 or so years. They've also unrepairable. I don't buy into the Framework upgrade premise, but being able to recover data from the SSD or replace a damaged trackpad is nice. I also prefer the Thinkpad chassis. Apple's aluminum is feels cold, the edges hurt my wrists, and the metal picks up dings my X1 Carbon never got.
That leaves Linux, but 2024 is not the year of desktop Linux.
by LorenDB on 3/10/24, 12:18 AM
My personal hardware recommendation would be a Thinkpad of some sort. I'm using a Thinkpad X1 Yoga right now. It survived a 4 or 5 foot drop onto a tile floor recently; I had to disassemble it to reseat the touchpad and fans that got knocked out of place, and the aluminum chassis now has dents on the corners, but the laptop overall took it like a champ. Even if you don't get a Thinkpad, make sure to go for something with a metal chassis.
I strongly encourage you to avoid Apple hardware as they solder storage. Soldered RAM is common enough that I won't complain about it too much, but in my case, I recently upgraded my Thinkpad from 512 GB to 2 TB storage for a mere $100 (Black Friday deals FTW!). Unless you are really good with a desoldering setup, there is no way you could do that to a Macbook.
by sandreas on 3/9/24, 9:22 PM
Framework 13 with AMD Ryzen 7840U
LG Gram 14"
HP Elitebook 845 G10
MacBook Air M2
Lenovo Thinkpad T14s
by tobinfekkes on 3/9/24, 5:37 AM
After buying a machine I thought was The One, I returned it after sort of accidentally stumbling upon the LG Gram. I was and still am surprised how difficult it was to come across. It feels like a hidden gem. It is a dream come true, and no one pays me to say that.
In my circle, people come to me looking for laptop advice, and so far 11 other people have picked one up (or I went and got it for them) and they love/loved it.
If you want a basic one, they have them at Costco for like $999. Mine is the $1800 version from LG.com, and I couldn't be happier.
My dad's had a hardware issue after a few months, and after a bit of troubleshooting, they replaced the motherboard promptly.
It checks all my boxes off: 17 inch, backlit keyboard, long battery life, super light (like, scary light), num pad, USB charging and display, and the only Windows trackpad I've found that is better than the Macbook.
I can run 3 monitors (one 4k) with VSCode, Photoshop, postman, Visual Studio (with iisexpress server running), MSSQL studio, Teams, Brave (+ 39 tabs), YouTube, and the thing doesn't skip a beat, or get loud or super hot; it does get warm, but that's expected with that load.
It's also comically easy to open up and upgrade the RAM or SSD, or replace the keyboard or screen.
My only complaint would be the sound; the speakers don't go very loud. But headphones or external speakers fix that, so it's only mildly problematic. Very little bloatware or pre installed LG garbage.
If you don't need a dedicated graphics card, I don't know of a better Windows laptop. But if you're really done with Windows overall.... Ignore all this :)
I find Windows 11 to still be tolerable with some tweaks to the settings/notifications.
by solardev on 3/9/24, 5:15 PM
Forget the metal dings. The new ones have smoother edges, I think. Run an automatic backup to somewhere else.
The hardware is so so so much better than anything else out there there's not really a comparison. I doubt anyone else would catch up within 5 years either.
At the end of the day they're just tools, not some religious argument. At this point in time they're substantially better than anything else, by a large margin, especially for dev and creative work.
I also use IntelliJ and Photoshop side by side, and these crazy machines last the whole day on battery power without the fans ever kicking on or anything getting slow. The poor throttled Thinkpad X1 isn't even remotely close in performance.
Shrug. Sorry, probably not the answer you wanted to hear. But Apple did some serious engineering in those while Microsoft and Intel sat on their butts for a decade.
by foobarbaz33 on 3/10/24, 5:44 PM
Answer-Yes: get a macbook. The apple M chips are the best (only?) way to get desktop power in a battery efficient package.
Answer-No: don't get a laptop at all. Get a big fat juicy desktop, AMD chip, linux.
by speedgoose on 3/9/24, 11:27 AM
by helij on 3/9/24, 12:06 PM
by aristofun on 3/9/24, 3:56 PM
from UX, devx, and raw cpu performance combined.
There is nothing even there to research. Unless you have some religious intolerance to macos platform for whatever reasons.
But even then you’re way better of $/cpu than most “competitors” if you just buy parallels desktop on top of it.
Except for some specific niche applications like heavy gaming etc.
by eb0la on 3/10/24, 4:40 PM
I believe Macs are great if you have sensitive data inside or proprietary source code inside; if your company locks them nobody can get the files that are inside.
by uncharted9 on 3/9/24, 5:15 PM
I've looked at Thinkpads and all the good ones are well over that price.
My priority is light weight and at least a 16GB/512GB combination. The only laptop I could find that meets this, based on suggestions in other comments, is the LG Gram.
by ungreased0675 on 3/9/24, 1:55 PM
I don’t think I can trust Microsoft to not turn Windows into a subscription service in the next few years.
by KingOfCoders on 3/9/24, 5:36 AM
by meristohm on 3/10/24, 10:27 PM
by nicbou on 3/9/24, 12:54 PM
I had a MacBook Pro Retina from 2012, which was replaced by a 2017 model through a warranty hack (though it worked flawlessly). The 2017 started losing keys on its 3rd keyboard replacement, but was really speedy still.
Then I got a 2017 Macbook 12" which was perfect for backpacking. I didn't like syncing two laptops so I gave the 15" MBP to a friend.
Eventually it struggled with playing YouTube Music while working, so I gave it to another friend.
...so I got the M2. Holy smokes is that thing good. It fixed everything wrong with the 2017 model AND improved things I didn't ask for.
I'm not a diehard Apple fan, but I'm a diehard MacBook convert.
by Dracophoenix on 3/9/24, 8:03 AM
by p1esk on 3/9/24, 8:45 PM