by defied on 2/6/24, 6:37 AM with 284 comments
by jug on 2/7/24, 8:07 AM
However, the thought has also crossed my mind if we're finally seeing fruits of browsers being better standardized on "95%"+ of the popular features -- and if writing a browser today is in fact easier than both writing AND maintaining a browser a decade back. While the web is of course still evolving, it feels more "settled in" than 10-15 years ago.
There's also the factor that past developers didn't have the more complete roadmap set when they initially planned browser design, but now we have huge amounts of web standards already there AND also know how popular they got over time i.e. what to prioritize to support a modern web. One might superficially think there's simply more of everything, but I also think ideas that can be discarded. Just imagine that Internet Explorer had XSLT support, and FTP was common once upon a time!
It would be interesting to hear more about their own thoughts on these topics!
Edit: My bad; XSLT is still commonly supported and by all major browsers but a rarely used feature and stuck in limbo in XSLT 1.0. So it's probably among those things that can be safely omitted for quite some time.
by stephen_g on 2/7/24, 7:19 AM
I've been watching the development videos for a year or two, and the speed that this has progressed in such a short time is unbelievable. Now they have multiple volunteers and enough sponsorship to pay more than one developer, it's pretty exciting what could happen here!
by jraph on 2/7/24, 8:01 AM
I would consider contributing but development is coordinated on Discord and I avoid proprietary software… [1]. It's a shame. Can't blame them though, they are doing it for fun.
[1] https://drewdevault.com/2022/03/29/free-software-free-infras...
by gsich on 2/7/24, 9:39 AM
" Q: Why bother? You can’t make a new browser engine without billions of dollars and hundreds of staff.
Sure you can. Don’t listen to armchair defeatists who never worked on a browser. "
Nice take.
by webprofusion on 2/7/24, 9:58 AM
It's a huge shame that there are no nightly builds of ladybird to try out but I assume that's because they just don't want the bug reports (if everything doesn't work it's pointless getting random bugs filed).
by szehe on 2/7/24, 7:04 AM
by talkingtab on 2/7/24, 6:14 PM
And for me there is the question of canvas, threejs, react-three-fiber and react-drei. Is it possible that - especially with mobile - that canvas could be used to provide a better user experience? Who writes games for mobile with a HTML and CSS? Not saying it can't be done, but I wonder how many web sites require HTML & CSS instead of canvas?
A big barrier to browser competition is needing to implement obsolete and outdated technology. Why not just a minimum set of html and canvas.
Just thinking. Your thoughts?
by dang on 2/7/24, 6:23 PM
Interview with Andreas Kling of Serenity OS (2022) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39286638 - Feb 2024 (134 comments)
Related to OP:
Ladybird browser update (July 2023) [video] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36939402 - July 2023 (1 comment)
Chat with Andreas Kling about Ladybird and developing a browser engine - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36620450 - July 2023 (65 comments)
Shopify Sponsored Ladybird Browser - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36502583 - June 2023 (1 comment)
I have received a $100k sponsorship for Ladybird browser - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36377805 - June 2023 (166 comments)
Early stages of Google Docs support in the Ladybird browser - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33511831 - Nov 2022 (84 comments)
Github.com on Ladybird, new browser with JavaScript/CSS/SVG engines from scratch - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33273785 - Oct 2022 (1 comment)
Ladybird: A new cross-platform browser project - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32809126 - Sept 2022 (473 comments)
Ladybird: A truly new Web Browser comes to Linux - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32014061 - July 2022 (8 comments)
Ladybird Web Browser - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31987506 - July 2022 (2 comments)
Ladybird Web Browser – SerenityOS LibWeb Engine on Linux - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31976579 - July 2022 (2 comments)
by KingOfCoders on 2/7/24, 10:17 AM
by codemusings on 2/7/24, 9:28 AM
by wtracy on 2/7/24, 6:48 AM
by ptx on 2/7/24, 3:10 PM
by hosteur on 2/7/24, 2:48 PM
What are the chances that this could become a real world usable replacement for chrome or Firefox witching the next couple of years?
by kramerger on 2/7/24, 7:15 AM
I hate what a small group of lazy front-end people have done to our world...
by BMSR on 2/7/24, 1:16 PM
Seems like they're involved in many browser technologies, and other technologies.
by F3nd0 on 2/7/24, 8:03 PM
by yarekt on 2/7/24, 6:05 PM
by simonebrunozzi on 2/11/24, 1:03 PM
> 2023-06-28: Welcoming Shopify as a Ladybird sponsor
Hmm, no new sponsor since august 2023. Not a good sign. I cheer for them to succeed though!
by DiggyJohnson on 2/7/24, 6:59 PM
by cpach on 2/7/24, 11:48 AM
I also find it curious that they are sponsored by a real estate site (:
by pipeline_peak on 2/8/24, 7:26 PM
by dev213 on 2/7/24, 10:50 AM
"Where are the ISO images?
There are no ISO images. This project does not cater to non-technical users."
This comes off as really abrasive. Wanting an ISO image to quickly test this out is not an indicator of someones technical ability.
I'm sorry I don't want to boot up a linux vm, install a lot of development packages and then build my own boot image just to try this out.
by AndyKelley on 2/7/24, 10:11 AM
If it's just for fun, we need to temper our expectations accordingly.
by redder23 on 2/7/24, 7:41 PM
by fifteen1506 on 2/7/24, 12:02 PM
by sylware on 2/7/24, 10:23 AM
Is this true?