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Apple appeals US ban on Apple Watch

by ArmandGrillet on 12/26/23, 4:30 PM with 87 comments

• by faeriechangling on 12/26/23, 4:42 PM

  They want a stay so the courts have time to make a decision, but last I heard from Masimo's CEO they haven't even come to the table to make a deal outside of court.

  Why should good faith be extended to these thieves who are acting entitled to this technology even now and show no remorse or contrition? If they worked with Masimo they could develop an accurate FDA approved health sensor, but they want to sell their customers a second rate product that they stole and shoddily copied on the cheap.

• by whatever1 on 12/26/23, 5:05 PM

  Here [1] is the CEO of Masimo (a public company, making medical devices for decades)

  It seems that Apple deceived Masimo that they are interested in collaborating, and then proceeded to poach Masimo's technical people to basically steal their technology.

  [1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR1o8EoW-Eg

• by pxeboot on 12/26/23, 4:54 PM

  Apple must license tens of thousands of patents for their products. What is so special about not paying for these? Is this dispute even about the patents at this point or just some kind of feud with Masimo?

• by SirensOfTitan on 12/26/23, 5:38 PM

  Could someone knowledgeable on the patent in question chime in on its defensibility? Masimo doesn’t seem like a patent troll here, they sell products, including a watch that take advantage of their patents presumably; however, I’m curious how broad the patent in question actually is.

• by yieldcrv on 12/26/23, 4:51 PM

  USITC and exclusion orders are rendered void if everything was made domestically

  You can limit patent holders options by bringing supply chain here

  Just another incentive

  Hey and we wont have to play geopolitical football with random conflicts around the world just so Taiwan feels safe, for now. We could ignore them all and let some other countries pick up the slack if anybody actually cares to misappropriate their resources like we do.

  All the chips are in our hands and its only a net benefit for us

• by infotainment on 12/26/23, 5:47 PM

  This seems like more proof that patents are harmful and should be abolished.

  Patents at this point seem to be more about seeing which company’s lawyers can create the broadest-worded patents possible than about any sort of encouragement of innovation. Apple is also guilty of this, so I get that it’s satisfying to see them on the receiving end, but in the end the whole system is clearly broken.

• by orenlindsey on 12/26/23, 4:49 PM

  This isn't ending anytime soon.

• by victor106 on 12/26/23, 5:29 PM

  OT: anyone here used the Masimo smartwatch?

  https://www.masimopersonalhealth.com/products/masimo-w1

  Now that I know the SPO2 monitor on my Apple Watch is shit. I am looking for something more accurate.

  I am a big Apple fanboy and always thought I could trust Apple’s products but I am beginning to doubt that with this case.

  They could’ve easily licensed Masimo’s tech and provided their customers better technology.

• by sitzkrieg on 12/26/23, 5:15 PM

  "In today’s filing, Apple’s attorneys claimed the $3 trillion company “will suffer irreparable harm” if the models remain off the shelves during legal proceedings."

  lmaoo what a joke

• by Takennickname on 12/26/23, 4:52 PM

  What! No way!