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“That Deep Romantic Chasm”: Libertarianism, Neoliberalism, & Computer Culture

by geekamongus on 7/16/23, 10:55 PM with 88 comments

• by ttctciyf on 7/17/23, 7:32 AM

  From 1999, the linked article seems an interesting read on the intersection between 'hacker culture' and the libertarian project; dry and a little quaint.

  Readers might like to compare the more journalistic (and entertaining, IMO) 2014 piece on 'San Francisco’s tech-libertarian “Reboot” conference' from sadly defunct Pando, for example:

  > At first glance it makes no sense to front a rabidly anti-gay candidate like McMorris Rodgers to sell the Kochs’ and the Paul family’s scrubland libertarianism to a Bay Area audience full of hip disruptors and “anarchist” practitioners of bohemia grooming fads.

  > But that’s because what Silicon Valley folks think of when they hear the word “libertarianism” actually has very little connection to what the libertarian movement actually stands for, and has stood for since the 1970s.

  ...

  1: https://web.archive.org/web/20141118174216/http://pando.com/...

• by geekamongus on 7/16/23, 10:55 PM

  The more things change…?

• by OO000oo on 7/17/23, 4:21 AM

  I have noticed that people on HN tend to equate neoliberalism with classical liberalism, being clueless about the difference.

  Classical liberalism was a naturalistic belief in market supremacy, understood to be a colossal failure by the middle of the 20th century. It was associated with the Gilded Age, which spawned the so-called Progressive Era, the ideological camps that followed, and the catastrophe that was the world wars.

  Neoliberalism is what the capitalist class have insisted is a reformed liberalism, invincible to the problems that classical liberalism motivated. It is a far more centralized, 'managed' market supremacy without the naturalistic perspective. Neoliberalism claims to acknowledge that markets are not natural and must be tightly managed by experts.

• by boffinAudio on 7/17/23, 12:22 PM

  All culture is a lie that only persists in the re-telling. There is no such thing as America or Russia - these things exist merely as a facsimile created in the minds of humans, who must perpetuate the concept by re-telling the lie, lest it fade out of human consciousness into the oblivion of history.

  Computers merely allow us to lie - and forget the lies - at light speed. This will eventually replace all other cultures - neoliberalism especially ...