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Ask HN: What are the odds of recovering from a Performance Improvement Plan?

by leet_thow on 1/7/23, 1:33 AM with 6 comments

• by PortleyFool on 1/7/23, 3:23 AM

  When a manager is unhappy with an employee they reach out to HR, or HR may reach out to the manager if they have given the employee consecutive sub standard performance ratings. HR won’t let the manager just fire the employee without all the right documentation in place. It’s not that easy at companies that care about not losing wrongful termination lawsuits. Before an employee is fired the HR department wants to have documentation showing clear cause. In instances where the employee broke a policy, they will investigate, document, meet with the employee to discuss the findings and then fire them immediately after. In cases where the manager is claiming poor performance, the burden is on the manager to create compelling evidence. HR will review the PIP and check in. An employee wishing to stay employed or at least walk away with a severance should start their own documentation exercise. Raising complaints and issues directly with HR and working hard to meet the criteria in the PIP. Also contacting an employment lawyer will help. If the company thinks there is any chance you will sue, they will likely opt to offer a severance. In cases of severance the manager may get a range they have to approve. HR will offer the severance starting at the bottom of the range. Consider not accepting the first offer if it comes to that. $5 to $10k counters are usually safe but not guaranteed. Note that none of this applies in cases where the cause is layoffs.

• by bitsavers on 1/7/23, 1:45 AM

  You can't. PIPs are designed as a CYA to get you to leave by putting you in a situation you can't recover from. You also can't get a transfer if you've been put on one.

• by 082349872349872 on 1/7/23, 1:50 AM

  I was put on a PIP very shortly before landing a (mandatory, due to my country's laws) nice fat severance package. I suspect* the hope was that I would have been offended by the PIP and found new employment directly, saving them the severance.

  * there were also noises being made about upcoming mandatory night/weekend support rotas; in hindsight it seems awfully like those of us who were expensive were being oh-so-subtly encouraged to move along under our own steam before the layoffs were public.

• by nullfield on 1/7/23, 10:30 AM

  As lawyers like to say, “it depends”. Months, like, “a few”.

  For someone in the situation-SWIM-my suggestions would be something like:

  Document. Get criteria for “improvement”, down to nauseating detail. Meet it, and if they still fire you, well, then a lawyer will be more interesting.

  This all presumes you weren’t asking for it, and it’s political opinion some way.

  If you were asking for it, improving for real might be enough.

• by version_five on 1/7/23, 1:38 AM

  Aren't they pretty much always political? I think the only way to recover is to get away from the person that wants you gone.

• by sys_64738 on 1/7/23, 2:02 AM

  They’re a method to get rid of you at the next RIF. People are always stack ranked come what may.