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Ask HN: What is your system for dirty dishes?

by raymondgh on 12/30/22, 12:00 PM with 97 comments

We have a lot of systematic thinkers here and I’d love to know what you all have come up with. What is your system for the kitchen sink, dishwasher, etc? Did you institute the process or did someone else in your household? Are you happy with it? And of course, any innovative ideas to improve? Happy new year everyone :)
  • by alexpetralia on 12/30/22, 2:20 PM

    I handwash all dishes and can go through maybe 50+ in about 5 minutes. My approach is very efficient.

    * First, get every dish wet (so that the food will rinse off easier), just a quick splash of water the surface of every dish.

    * Then, soap your sponge and begin cleaning. Stack all dishes off to the side sensibly (plates on bottom, bowls on top, silverware atop that). Don't put your sponge down to rinse off anything.

    * After you soap and stack eveything, begin rinsing.

    * Put the entire stack (or half of it) under the faucet. The running water from the top will flow down to the bottom, making it easier and faster to wash each subsequent dish.

    * Run your hands through each dish as you rinse with water to detect and remove any remaining food.

    Finally you are done! This method is great because it reduces redundant action (putting down, picking up sponge) and because it "compounds" others (lets the same water rinse multiple dishes). Also, always remember to wash dishes when you have downtime while cooking - you will have no "prep dishes" to clean by the time you eat, and instead only eating dishes.

  • by mbg721 on 12/30/22, 1:26 PM

    My strategy is to wash them or get them into the loading dishwasher as soon as possible, even if getting the pots and pans sorted out delays dinner by a minute or two. I get the best result by treating it as a part of the mise en place of cooking. I'm not especially tidy, and I live with someone who is also not especially tidy, so I learned quickly that if I ignore the dishes, they don't go away.
  • by jstx1 on 12/30/22, 12:15 PM

    Everything gets washed by hand immediately after being used - during cooking if the recipe allows time for it, or right after the meal at the latest. Very happy with this system, I don't get the habit of piling dirty dishes on top of each other and having a separate time slot for a big wash.
  • by TamDenholm on 12/30/22, 2:27 PM

    This is not what my actual system is but its the best one i've heard of, its very much a super lazy, throw money at the problem kind of solution.

    Have 2 dishwashers. Make sure all the dishes and cutlery you own fits in them. Fill one dishwasher with the dirty dishes, turn it on and onces its done, just leave the clean dishes in there, thats where they live now, thats the storage solution for them. As you use the clean dishes, load them into the other dishwasher until done, repeat the cycle.

    This does scream like a solution from a single guy with too much money, but honestly, i'd do it if my kitchen wasn't tiny.

  • by marssaxman on 12/30/22, 3:07 PM

    I don't really have a system so much as a cultivated intolerance for kitchen mess, such that I feel discomfort whenever I see it, producing a strong urge to deal with the problem immediately. I suppose you could call it a system if you described it as an interrupt-driven state machine:

      - Stuff on the counter? Yuck! Dishes to the sink, bottles to their homes.
      - Dirty dishes in the sink? Yuck! Load them into the dishwasher.
      - Clean dishes in the dishwasher? Oh no! Put them all away.
      - Dishwasher getting full? Yuck! Start it running.
      - Crumbs or grunge on the counter? Yuck! Wipe it down.
      - Crumbs on the floor? Yuck! Sweep it all up.
      - Trash can nearly full? Gross! Empty it.
    
    Only after the signal queue has been cleared can I relax and proceed with whatever task it was that originally brought me into the kitchen, whether that was cooking the family dinner, or simply pouring myself a cup of water.

    An outside observer might think I had regular, schedule-driven habits around kitchen cleaning, but it doesn't feel that way; I don't intentionally empty the clean dishes from the dishwasher every morning, that just happens as a consequence of making coffee.

  • by karp773 on 12/30/22, 2:14 PM

    Load the dirty dishes and pans into the dishwasher as soon as finished using them. Turn the dishwasher on before going to bed. Take out the clean dishes first thing in the morning.

    This is a pretty standard algorithm, I suppose. What is somewhat unusual, I guess, is that, occasionally, I use the dishwasher to wash small appliances like a rice cooker, an electric kettle, or a water filter pitcher. It probably shortens their lifespan but I think it's worth the saved time.

  • by cybrexalpha on 12/30/22, 2:19 PM

    Let things pile up until I don't have any countertop space to cook, then clean everything in a rush and convince myself that this time™ I'm going to keep it clean.
  • by sultee on 12/30/22, 2:23 PM

    There're too many people washing their dishes right after using them in this thread.

    What to do if you're not one of them?

    I created my personal ritual: all the dishes land in the sink during the day, and right before going to sleep I turn on an audio book and spend the next ~20 mins calmly doing my home stuff. Loading the dishwasher (and unloading yesterday's portion), preparing food containers for pets, etc. Everything that's quiet enough not to wake up everyone in the house.

  • by hypertele-Xii on 12/30/22, 2:21 PM

    I have one small pot that cooks one full meal which I eat from the pot with my one spoon. Then I lick the spoon clean and rinse the pot with cold water, using plain soap and brush when necessary.
  • by D13Fd on 12/30/22, 3:28 PM

    We use a high-end Miele dishwasher, model 6875. It's amazing (though expensive) and it's the only dishwasher I've had that I didn't kind of hate, and it has lasted perfectly for several years now.

    Miele Model 6875 (now discontinued):

    https://www.designerappliances.com/miele-g6875scvisf.html

    We don't use it for knives, pots, or non-dishwasher-safe items. For those items, I wash them by hand. For years I have used this scrubbing cloth:

    Crown Choice All-Purpose Cleaning Scrubber

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07YP16LK9?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_...

    That scrubbing cloth is great because it dries out quickly, never gets smelly, does not scratch anything even if you scrub hard, and lasts a very long time (at least 6 months of daily use, but probably a year or more).

    For gummy stuff, I usually use a dish brush before the cloth to knock the gunk off of the dish so that I don't have to later clean it off of the cloth. I've never found one that I like well enough, so I won't post a link.

    For stuck-on stuff, I use a Progressive scraper:

    https://www.amazon.com/Progressive-GT-3300-Gadget-Scrapers-D...

    Those are sold out, but these look similar:

    https://www.amazon.com/Multicolor-Silicone-Dishwashing-Multi...

  • by devchix on 12/30/22, 4:25 PM

    You're going to get hundreds of tips on how to do dishes. I'm going to pull back one philosophical layer and tell you one thing you didn't ask. Always wake up with a clean and empty sink and counter. You will start your day with minimal clutter in your view, you don't have to put anything away, things are ready for your use or you can immediately leave the house, it'll still be pristine when you get back. Doesn't matter how you do it, that's your very simple goal. Your question is like "what is your optimal vim setup", it's different for everyone and there isn't an optimal way.

    Parenthetically, I rinse and load the dirty dishes as soon as they are used. You'll read a lot stuff about no rinsing. Some people have taken it to religious zeal. You will ignore that nonsense and do at least one rinse. You'll use less detergent, extend the life of your dishwasher and your drain pipes. Use the powdered detergent and use less than the recommended amount. Don't use the heat-dry cycle, crack your dish washer door with a wooden spoon after the wash is done, the residual heat will dry the dishes without using additional energy.

    Make your bed every morning also.

  • by buu709 on 12/30/22, 1:26 PM

    No kids so YMMV - we put everything in the dishwasher and set it going in the evening. I open it before going to bed and set a fan blowing over the dishes to air dry them and put them away when I wake up in the morning.

    I'm also kind of anal about everything being very dry before going into the cupboards.

    Debated getting a small radiant heater to install under a cupboard over a drying rack but figured it was going too far.

  • by drewbus-drewbus on 12/30/22, 2:44 PM

    My pro tip - whatever your system, use sodium tripolyphosphate. Years ago phosphates were in laundry and dish detergents, and were outlawed to deal with algae blooms from runoff. Individuals can use them now but companies can’t include them. Iirc the main source of phosphate runoff is farming and consumer usage was comparatively small, but telling farmers to stop fertilizing wasn’t tenable.

    So about ten years ago then industry quietly removed phosphates and the appliance manufacturers had a golden era of appliance purchases as everyone thought their machines weren't working right anymore. I was one of the buyers who contributed.

    In frustration that my new dishwasher didn’t work either I did some reading and learned the above. I now add a tablespoon or two to my dishes and laundry. I don’t pre-wash my dishes, no matter how hard and dry. You don’t need to. It works great, everything comes out super clean. You can buy it online.

  • by zeckalpha on 1/3/23, 2:21 AM

    I've been inspired by Lean to pull JIT. If there is a clean dish in the dishwasher, I will use that, then one from the drying rack, before going to the put away dishes. Similarly, put away all dishes from the drying rack before unloading the dishwasher, or you may rewet already dried dishes. If a dish is coming out of the dishwasher dry, put it away rather than on drying rack. Remove trash and recycling from the dirty dishes spot before starting on dirty dishes. Put dirty dishes in the dishwasher right away if possible, and only put a dish in the sink if it needs to soak.
  • by richrichardsson on 12/30/22, 3:14 PM

    I find just rinsing off stuff immediately after use makes the process of actually cleaning much easier, and is fairly quick and painless.

    The proper cleaning process usually takes place in the morning for all the stuff that accumulated from the day before, but it's all already mostly clean, so is again fairly quick and painless.

  • by simonblack on 12/30/22, 10:33 PM

    Dirty dishes go straight in the dishwasher immediately after a meal, or any dish is used. The kitchen bench is then wiped down and left bare of any clutter.

    Four or five decades ago, I was very 'agin' dishwashers because of the pretty poor ones used at my boarding school. We often had egg stains on plates for a day or two after an egg meal.

    I was at a friend's place and I claimed that the plates and utensils we'd used for our morning eggs would leave traces after a wash cycle. I had to eat my words, those dishes and forks were spotless.

    We've had a dishwasher ever since. They do a much better and less labor-intensive job than hand-washing. There's no need to rinse your dishes before using the dishwasher, that's why there is a pre-wash rinse as part of the overall wash cycle. Doing that rinse yourself is redundant and a waste of your time.

  • by boppo1 on 12/30/22, 2:06 PM

    Dishes are easy if you have a machine. I want to know HN's prostrats on laundry.

    Especially sweaty gym laundry for the runners.

  • by scandox on 12/30/22, 2:38 PM

    Slightly OT but dish washing proved to me the existence of a purely physical boredom in which the body itself expresses a purely mechanical revulsion for some repetitive task and finally refuses to accede to further commands no matter how earnestly the mind wishes to carry out its appointed task.
  • by entropicgravity on 12/30/22, 2:32 PM

    The most efficient process is, first let the dishes soak, then hand wash the dishes while the tap is running (ie not in a wash basin), finally let dry in the drying rack (ie not with a drying towel). Bachelors the world over confirm that this is the most efficient system.
  • by bradlys on 12/30/22, 8:24 PM

    Back when I had a full size dishwasher (just moved to nyc) - we’d just scrape off any big pieces of food and then immediately load the plates into the dishwasher along with any pots/pans/etc used to make food along the way.

    Set the dishwasher to clean (even if not full - we don’t care). Unload before we eat the next day.

    It’s pretty simple and took maybe a minute.

    Nowadays, I sometimes have to do two loads cause dishwasher is tiny and can barely fit one pan. So, I’ll do the plates first and the pan in another load. Still much faster than me cleaning by hand. Cleaning those pots and pans is annoying. Same for cleaning woks. Dishwasher does an amazing job.

    And yes - we’ve been very happy with the dishwasher. Literally is a blessing. We had a Bosch 800 series.

  • by downboots on 12/30/22, 2:06 PM

    Not mine but getting two dishwashers. Alternating their use for storage and cleaning.
  • by ilaksh on 12/30/22, 2:40 PM

    I live by myself. I have one plate, one casserole, and two bowls. I usually use the plate or the casserole. After eating from the casserole I fill it mostly with water and leave it on top of the microwave (there seems to be a biofilm issue if I leave it in the sink). I have one or two spoons and forks and one good stainless steel knife. I basically wash one or two things on demand by hand for each meal.

    The advantage of this system is that there is never a large build up of dishes to do (since I hardly own any).

  • by kisna72 on 12/31/22, 12:35 AM

    My strategy (when I did not have a dishwasher) is to only have the bare minimum of the dishes required outside. eg: 2 plates, two bowls, two spoons, forks etc for a family of two. This will mean that you will re-use your dishes over and over again, and washing becomes just a thing to do before you eat etc. Also sink will never get filled with dishes again.

    Now, I have a dishwasher, and I just put dishes in the dishwasher as soon as I use it.

  • by m0llusk on 12/30/22, 2:07 PM

    Spending a lot of time in coworking offices just getting people to put dishes in the dishwasher instead of the sink is a big advance only the better outfits master.
  • by gala8y on 12/31/22, 9:38 AM

    We had constant battles with my girlfriend over the dishes. We bought a used, small dishwasher. All problematics instantly went away. I like loading and unloading the dishwasher. I like washing dishes by hand (as many comments point out here, it's something which can be enjoyed), but I just don't like spending too much time doing it. So, my answer is: The Dishwasher. The rest are details.
  • by zsolt224 on 12/30/22, 1:45 PM

    Miele dishwashers have auto dosing of detergent and auto open after they are finished. They are very quiet too.

    Remote start via app makes zero sense without auto dosing.

  • by EvanAnderson on 12/30/22, 2:22 PM

    When I do have something that requires soaking I’ve found that sprinkling in a little powdered dishwasher detergent, as opposed to liquid soap, makes a tremendous difference. The enzymes in the dishwasher detergent, if left for even just an hour, make it much easier to hand wash stubborn items. I keep some detergent in a shaker by the sink just for this purpose.
  • by TowerTall on 12/30/22, 2:19 PM

    Two dishwashers. One for clean and one for dirty.
  • by zeckalpha on 1/3/23, 1:54 AM

  • by mattpallissard on 12/30/22, 2:34 PM

    YC, asking _the real_ questions. I'm interested in STEM, but these are the type of inquiries that keep me around this site.
  • by jaggs on 12/30/22, 12:11 PM

    Wash them.
  • by strife25 on 12/30/22, 2:36 PM

    What I've been annoyed with for years: Drying Racks.

    What do people do instead of using these? I'm guess just hand drying them. I do have a lot of air-tight container lids that are super annoying to hand dry.

    I like the convenience of the drying rack, but hate the countertop clutter and space it takes.

  • by mandmandam on 12/30/22, 1:18 PM

    I am quite happy with my Dual-Soaper system.

    Tools:

    1 spray bottle - half dish soap, half water.

    1 cup

    1 scrubber

    The spray bottle is for incidental dishes. By spraying a tiny bit of liquid onto whatever dish you just used, you wash faster while also using less water and soap. Often, you don't even need to get your hands wet. There's no fumbling with slippery dish soap bottles and caps, and no glugs of soap wasted. Try not to inhale the mist though.

    The cup is for larger loads. Put a squirt of dish soap in it, then fill with hot / boiled water. Dunk your scrubber into the cup to reload it with hot soapy water whenever necessary.

    Some advantages of this: Your sink is kept free - no stoppers needed, or sinks of greasy water with gross food bits in. Also, only a cup or so of water needs to be boiled. The whole process is faster, with less effort.

    As others have mentioned, doing dishes immediately is the all around best way to go. The cup and spray bottle really minimize the friction involved in keeping that up throughout the day.

  • by lurn_mor on 12/30/22, 2:31 PM

    I've trained myself to only wash dishes when the microwave is running, and you'd be shocked how little time it takes to do them - often far less than the 90 seconds I'd planned. I end up with a hot meal and a clean kitchen.
  • by Overtonwindow on 12/30/22, 2:23 PM

    I put everything into the dishwasher, press the button, and it washes.
  • by jacknews on 12/31/22, 3:02 AM

    My system is to inspect the dining table and kitchen 30 minutes after dinner, and if it's not all clean, the kids lose computer time. LOL.
  • by rektide on 12/30/22, 2:39 PM

    The main thing I havent seen answered is, how do dishes get put away? That was a source of tension in most multi-person households I've lived in.
  • by sys_64738 on 12/30/22, 2:33 PM

    Use recyclable plates instead of actual dishes unless it's required. This cuts down on how often you need to use the dishwasher.
  • by senectus1 on 12/30/22, 2:24 PM

    Make the kids do the dishes every night.

    We do them during the day.

  • by kleiba on 12/30/22, 2:34 PM

    We invested in a brand dishwasher a while ago and compared to the cheapo appliance we had before, we are very happy. We just load it up with dirty dishes as they come, sometimes opting to do big pots by hand instead, so that the same space can be allocated to multiple other dishes (mostly plates) instead.

    We sometimes run it over night on the eco setting (or if we otherwise have four hours to spare), but mostly we use the quick power wash setting, which cleans the dishes in roughly one hour.

    When we're home (on the weekends), we run the dishwasher multiple times a day.

  • by PaulHoule on 12/30/22, 1:11 PM

    First-in-first out queue for dishes.
  • by antisthenes on 12/30/22, 2:23 PM

    Use as few dishes as possible. Wash them same day. No need to "disrupt" the 1000-year old process, because it just works.
  • by steffann on 12/30/22, 2:53 PM

    Buying a larger bin…