by infrawhispers on 11/3/22, 1:37 PM with 1217 comments
by gzer0 on 11/3/22, 7:47 PM
* Severance pay. We will pay 14 weeks of severance for all departing employees, and more for those with longer tenure. That is, those departing will be paid until at least February 21st 2023.
* Bonus. We will pay our 2022 annual bonus for all departing employees, regardless of their departure date. (It will be prorated for people hired in 2022.)
* PTO. We’ll pay for all unused PTO time (including in regions where that’s not legally required).
* Healthcare. We’ll pay the cash equivalent of 6 months of existing healthcare premiums or healthcare continuation.
* RSU vesting. We’ll accelerate everyone who has already reached their one-year vesting cliff to the February 2023 vesting date (or longer, depending on departure date). For those who haven’t reached their vesting cliffs, we'll waive the cliff.
While layoffs in general suck, the terms of this one are quite substantially better than many other companies.by thunkle on 11/3/22, 3:40 PM
by abeppu on 11/3/22, 6:17 PM
by jasmer on 11/3/22, 2:50 PM
Stripe is a hugely successful company and they have no urgent material need to let people go. This is an optimization effort.
I actually do believe that 'pruning' is a healthy thing for organizations, to enable them to be nimble and dynamic - however - obviously this comes at great social cost.
The benefits of 'pruning' come at the cost of externalizing regular, creating real human challenges.
One somewhat obvious solution might be to 'reallocate' people for a while, and have them do 'window dressing' (like in Japan) while this happens. Some would argue this doesn't get you to the pruning, because there needs to be an element of existential churn, but I suggest otherwise.
At minimum, growing companies should 'find stuff' for people to do. Stripe is 100% looking to the future, there is no doubt, so maybe we can try to find a way to make this work on their future endeavours.
I feel that the whole 'California' project elides the negatives: homelessness in Los Angeles has reached impossible levels, there always were enormous problems with equality at least partially due to lack of civil resources, adverse school funding etc..
This is not a 'model' to brag about.
I think we can do better.
by tempsy on 11/3/22, 1:48 PM
No reason why Stripe couldn’t have gone public in 2020-2021 at a huge valuation but from past interviews it sounds like the decision to remain private was just a founder preference thing because “focus” or something. Now the IPO market is completely frozen and its valuation is likely cut in half from peak, at least.
by anonym29 on 11/3/22, 3:45 PM
• Check if your company pays out unused PTO, sick days, etc as cash. If they do, do not use any of the applicable type(s) unless you are going to lose it.
• Have a LinkedIn, fill out all the fields, add 500+ random people in your field. Once you have done all this, you get ranked way higher in the algo for recruiters who are searching (you will be granted a visible "All-Star" status, so you will know when you've reached this). After that, go add every recruiter in your field/industry you can find (ideally 500+). Internal recruiters are better than external recruiters / headhunters, but don't neglect the headhunters, especially the "rockstar" ones from more prestigious staffing firms. Finally, add a bunch (500+) of people in your field (who you should now have mutuals with, via the recruiters). Always respond politely to all recruiters even if you're happily employed. Try to be friendly with them, not strictly professional. Build up a rolodex of recruiters. You now have a list of people you can ask for work if you do get laid off. Recruiter-sourced candidates have MUCH better odds of being hired than cold applicants, provided you're not a known name in your industry. If you do this, you'll be able to schedule 40+ interviews in about 3 days, which take place over the following week or two, if you really want to pack them together.
• Don't neglect contract work completely. Many companies have a surprisingly large hiring pipeline of contract -> FTE, provided you do a good job.
• How To Win Friends And Influence People by Dale Carnegie.
• Corporate Confidential by Cynthia Shapiro, if you're in an enterprise / corporate environment.
by benjaminwootton on 11/3/22, 1:41 PM
How does a company breaking records 36 hours ago conclude they need to lay off 14% of the workforce? Even with economic storm clouds on the horizon that seems very jumpy.
by o10449366 on 11/3/22, 1:31 PM
by anonymouse008 on 11/3/22, 1:57 PM
This is one of the most interesting statements ever written. If you ran a 'Idea Fourier' on this signal, so many things fall out: cheap interest rates pushes crazy valuations and estimations, believing the low interest fantasy was a requirement to getting their funding in the first place, now how easy is it to just say 'oops, no take back-sies'
Interesting time to be alive.
by Nifty3929 on 11/3/22, 2:45 PM
The universe is a dynamic, changing place. People [should] move in and out of jobs and industries in response to those changes in the world. This is a good thing, and much better than blindly doing the same thing forever, in the face of changes.
I don't know the specifics of Stripe's business at all, but they may have been correct to hire a lot early in the pandemic, and then correct again to lay off many people now.
by wanderingmind on 11/4/22, 1:03 AM
by lefstathiou on 11/3/22, 2:13 PM
When it falters, you're stuck with swarms of confused employees who havent been trained / integrated / given meaningful work and who may not even be in the office due to WFH which is difficult to recover from [I am curious what % were WFH in the layoffs]. At that point, whether you're growing or not, it's tempting to just get them off your payroll and start anew, only more slowly this time.
by rexreed on 11/3/22, 3:11 PM
I fear being "too successful" with no recourse if I depend on Stripe too much.
by pid-1 on 11/3/22, 1:41 PM
> - We were much too optimistic about the internet economy’s near-term growth in 2022 and 2023 and underestimated both the likelihood and impact of a broader slowdown.
> - We grew operating costs too quickly. Buoyed by the success we’re seeing in some of our new product areas, we allowed coordination costs to grow and operational inefficiencies to seep in.
https://stripe.com/br/newsroom/news/ceo-patrick-collisons-em...
by gt565k on 11/3/22, 1:48 PM
I’d love to get laid off with a quarter+ of a year paid for.
by eganist on 11/3/22, 1:54 PM
> John and I are fully responsible for the decisions leading up to it.
What are the two of you doing to show accountability? Are you slashing your own future stock grants, cutting your own salaries, diluting your positions with stock grants to everyone else? What's the consequence for this decision on your end that shows you're accountable for what happened, not just responsible for it? Since you have no intention of cashing out, the valuation cut is ineffectual as a consequence to you, and the support/severance package will probably have minimal impact on your own bottom line since it's all largely been accounted for (payouts of planned bonuses, existing unvested stock etc)
by MichaelZuo on 11/3/22, 1:19 PM
Though the bottom 14% is a pretty big amount to cut, almost certainly some decent performers in that group.
by DogLover_ on 11/3/22, 4:31 PM
Almost 700 open roles right now...
by skidev on 11/3/22, 1:46 PM
by dabeeeenster on 11/3/22, 1:55 PM
by staunch on 11/3/22, 2:01 PM
by dabeeeenster on 11/3/22, 2:11 PM
by breck on 11/3/22, 2:36 PM
2) Saving this in case I ever need to tell a portfolio company how to do a layoff.
by tinglymintyfrsh on 11/4/22, 9:34 AM
by jchonphoenix on 11/3/22, 4:46 PM
by CarbonCycles on 11/3/22, 1:55 PM
I feel bad for the folks who have been impacted.
by saos on 11/3/22, 2:22 PM
Fair enough but this seems to be common line every CEO is going for the two years.
The severance Stripe are offering is nice though.
by SevenNation on 11/3/22, 2:07 PM
To justify the move, Stripe is pointing in every direction except their own operational situation. What's going on at Stripe?
> ... We provide an important foundation to our customers and Stripe is not a discretionary service that customers turn off if budget is squeezed. ...
Ok, so are you saying that business has taken such a dive so quickly that you're trying to get in front of it? Or are there more announcements like this on tap?
by malfist on 11/3/22, 1:56 PM
I've been laid off twice, and it's always painful, hurtful and damaging to my mental health. Take care of yourself the best you can, there is a fair amount of research now that says layoffs can have lingering mental health affects for years to come. [1]
Some resources that might be helpful: flexjobs.com is a good curated job board for remote work. teamblind.com is a professional social networking site for engineers, it's generally super toxic, but the community comes together for layoffs and a lot of people will offer referrals.
[1]: https://www.wbur.org/news/2013/06/14/recession-layoff-scars
by pbiggar on 11/3/22, 2:02 PM
- 2022 bonus and PTO paid out
- accelerated vesting
- 6 months of healthcare.
This is a phenomenal severance package and I hope one that will set the standard for companies doing layoffs. So many companies in the US do two weeks or less, with nothing else (not even healthcare) or even use it to claw back shares.
by break_the_bank on 11/3/22, 3:55 PM
by dmazin on 11/3/22, 2:01 PM
by testemailfordg2 on 11/3/22, 7:36 PM
by jongjong on 11/4/22, 4:26 AM
I hope these layoffs will be good for the industry as ex-employees join competitors... Maybe in such competitive environment, people will care about writing maintainable code again. The effects of the corporate employment bloat are visible all around us.
by aliqot on 11/3/22, 5:20 PM
by maerF0x0 on 11/4/22, 12:17 AM
Now, as for where my real concern is imagine making even $15 an hour and finding out that necessities[2] are outpacing your already pay check to pay check life? I really feel for those folks who didn't over leverage themselves and are suffering despite working full time.
Remember that fear is a tool the capital class uses as leverage against those without options (or who believe they dont have options). Things like getting you to accept lower pay than they know they can offer, scaring you to take on excess load so they can fire your friends, and controlling the narrative and getting in front of it so they can profit when the masses shift sentiment. Focus on making yourself independent, resilient, and generally informed, and you'll have far more negotiating power.
[1]: https://blog.dol.gov/2022/10/07/september-2022-jobs-report-s...
[2]: https://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2022/consumer-prices-up-9-1-per... eg Fuel to get to work is up 40% .
by almost_usual on 11/3/22, 2:00 PM
by DeathArrow on 11/4/22, 7:27 AM
It seems many people are woved because Stripe has the generosity of granting severance pay to people they laid off.
It doesn't seem like a generosity to me, it's more PR on one hand and on the other hand they want the developers good will if there is going to be a market growth in the near future and they will go again on a hiring spree.
It's Stripe's management fault they did wrong calculations betting on explosive growth, going on a hiring spree to support that falsely accounted growth and the going to fire some hard working fault. But somehow they manage to turn this into a PR success and painting their mess as a win. It's not a win, it's a loss. And I would think twice before applying to Stripe in the future.
by Kairinz on 11/3/22, 3:13 PM
by benreesman on 11/3/22, 8:03 PM
Pat Collison is one of the great hackers of our age, and he embodied the YC motto better than most: “Make something that people want.”
I’m sure the cuts are painful, but as a person who is quite literally bereaved: life goes on, and Stripe will still be a great company 5 or 10 years from now.
by augasur on 11/3/22, 1:59 PM
by bogomipz on 11/3/22, 6:49 PM
>"Today we’re announcing the hardest change we have had to make at Stripe to date. We’re reducing the size of our team by around 14% and saying goodbye to many talented Stripes in the process"
We are "reducing the size of our team" and "saying goodbye"? I'm of the opinion that words matter and more so when they are from the company CEO. Is there some reason why a CEO who is "announcing the hardest change we have had make" is unable to use the language that reflects the reality? Can the person who is paid the big bucks to make the big decisions really not bring himself to use the word "layoff" in announcing layoffs? Is he really that cowardly? A CEO is supposed to be a leader. It takes him 8 paragraphs before he uses the actual word "layoff."
by donmb on 11/3/22, 2:10 PM
by breck on 11/3/22, 1:57 PM
2) Saving this in case I ever need to tell a portfolio company how to do a layoff.
by iwiser on 11/4/22, 10:21 AM
At the same time, we, Wise (formerly TransferWise) - actively looking for engineers, product managers, and engineering managers, designers. Many roles are open, and we are growing quite a lot! We have a product our customers love, and we care about our employees a lot! We are pretty good financially and have a clear vision of which one we are executing. If you are interested - you can browse the list of open roles here: https://grnh.se/1f3d39a91us and apply for them. You can write me directly, and I will try to answer anything as much as possible.
by pastor_bob on 11/3/22, 2:02 PM
https://stripe.com/jobs/search
Seems like a move to just dump some redundant people and blame the macro situation
by hinkley on 11/3/22, 4:29 PM
People get into growth mode and overhire and then have to lay off when the bill comes due. Or permanent attrition which is also stressful.
Productivity improvement via expensive tools and training is easier to pull back from when you get to the end. It slows the headcount ramp, which resides the fishtailing at the end.
Plus I just feel far better when I can say that the team can produce more functionality per month today than six months ago. Teams that slowly grind to a halt are one of my personal Hells.
by treis on 11/3/22, 1:43 PM
by arberx on 11/3/22, 2:41 PM
by adam_arthur on 11/3/22, 3:20 PM
Doing their new hires a disservice, when in many cases they'll likely have to be laid off within the year. Looking at big tech here, primarily
by sidcool on 11/4/22, 11:46 AM
by StopHammoTime on 11/3/22, 7:25 PM
by codazoda on 11/3/22, 2:45 PM
That seems very cold.
by jupp0r on 11/3/22, 6:58 PM
by DeathArrow on 11/4/22, 7:17 AM
It seems that that doesn't matter since they are going to optimize for profit and cut costs if needed.
by bijection on 11/3/22, 6:14 PM
by tannhauser23 on 11/3/22, 4:04 PM
by codegeek on 11/3/22, 2:07 PM
So is Stripe saying that they are cutting because they grew much faster during Pandemic and now are not growing as fast so they need to slash 14% of workforce to keep the same returns for shareholders ? Would love to hear from Stripe CEO directly.
by AtNightWeCode on 11/3/22, 8:17 PM
by coayer on 11/3/22, 7:28 PM
by hsuduebc2 on 11/4/22, 2:11 AM
by musha68k on 11/3/22, 7:57 PM
Remember: especially when getting laid off in tech - eventually this will commonly be very good for personal growth. Lots of opportunities in the coming downturn as in full tandem with ever-ongoing neoliberal capitalism: software is still eating the world.
Don’t be sad. Take the ticket - and maybe do something that’s more interesting / pressingly needed than… payment processing…
The world is literally on fire, you are smart and hard working why not do something about that instead?
by Taylor_OD on 11/3/22, 4:02 PM
by BhavdeepSethi on 11/3/22, 1:53 PM
by rboyd on 11/3/22, 2:14 PM
by yohannparis on 11/3/22, 2:17 PM
by kollayolla on 11/3/22, 2:06 PM
by Vervious on 11/3/22, 3:56 PM
by anoojb on 11/3/22, 10:38 PM
Not only is it psychologically disorienting, but now it's financially taxing...literally. Yikes
by tschellenbach on 11/3/22, 5:56 PM
by corentin88 on 11/3/22, 1:22 PM
by jonny_eh on 11/3/22, 8:51 PM
wtf is that even?
by pugio on 11/3/22, 6:02 PM
We've been having a hard time figuring out how to hire qualified people to build top-notch educational content because we pay less than industry rates.
The upside is that we do meaningful work, have good health care, decent pay, good work environment, (edit: also fully remote-able), and job stability (we're funded by philanthropists and don't need to make a profit).
If anyone hit by the recent layoffs is passionate about good education and would like a change of pace, feel free to email me (address in profile) to start a conversation.
by poorman on 11/3/22, 4:51 PM
by kache_ on 11/3/22, 1:18 PM
Looks like we're going to see this eat through most software companies. Headcount planning is hard.
by throwawaysleep on 11/3/22, 3:54 PM
This is why I feel no guilt over letting my teams down repeatedly. It doesn't matter unless you are bad enough to fire.
by throway20221103 on 11/3/22, 7:49 PM
This process as Stripe reads as exceptionally cold and distanced to me. There's an ongoing downsizing at my workplace as well right now, and it's going a little like this:
* Change in strategy and its consequences announced together in all-hands
* Company strategy changed to focus less on rapid growth (something we'd been structured for) due to major changes in capital markets
* All personnell changes are made directly to support and enable this change in strategy
* No departures outside of C-suite had been determined at the point of announcement
* Immediately after announcement, groups of teams gathered in breakout sessions to learn of changes to their structure
* All changes are based on roles and not specific individuals
* Everyone gets to be considered for new roles if their existing role changes, or if they wish to change roles
* New managers to be decided about one week after announcement
* Changes to IC positions to be determined within two weeks after that
* Nobody will get a notice before a consultation meeting
* HR and leadership are holding all-hands about every third day during the process, for QA and updates
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Mass layoffs by email just seems so immensely inhuman by this comparison. I wish everyone leaving Stripe as part of this all the best, and I hope you find great and inspiring opportunities <3
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