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Ask HN: AI Research Status

by adabaed on 9/10/22, 8:43 AM with 5 comments

Hello everyone! First of all, I am a complete newbie in this field. I'm just a curious guy who reads AI papers in his bathroom sessions. I want to ask you something that I have been thinking about for quite some time. It seems to me that AI research lately is focused on non-objective areas like art. My question is why? Is it because we are facing a new winter? Perhaps artistic research will open up new ways to improve AI in general? What do you think? Thanks in advance.

  • by grantcas on 9/10/22, 6:36 PM

    It's becoming clearer that with all the brain and consciousness theories out there, the proof will be in the pudding. By this I mean, can any particular theory be used to create a human adult level conscious machine. My bet is on the late Gerald Edelman's Extended Theory of Neuronal Group Selection. The lead group in robotics based on this theory is the Neurorobotics Lab at UC at Irvine. Dr. Edelman distinguished between primary consciousness, which came first in evolution, and that humans share with other conscious animals, and higher order consciousness, which came to only humans with the acquisition of language. A machine with primary consciousness will probably have to come first.

    What I find special about the TNGS is the Darwin series of automata created at the Neurosciences Institute by Dr. Edelman and his colleagues in the 1990's and 2000's. These machines perform in the real world, not in a restricted simulated world, and display convincing physical behavior indicative of higher psychological functions necessary for consciousness, such as perceptual categorization, memory, and learning. They are based on realistic models of the parts of the biological brain that the theory claims subserve these functions. The extended TNGS allows for the emergence of consciousness based only on further evolutionary development of the brain areas responsible for these functions, in a parsimonious way. No other research I've encountered is anywhere near as convincing.

    I post because on almost every video and article about the brain and consciousness that I encounter, the attitude seems to be that we still know next to nothing about how the brain and consciousness work; that there's lots of data but no unifying theory. I believe the extended TNGS is that theory. My motivation is to keep that theory in front of the public. And obviously, I consider it the route to a truly conscious machine, primary and higher-order.

    My advice to people who want to create a conscious machine is to seriously ground themselves in the extended TNGS and the Darwin automata first, and proceed from there, by applying to Jeff Krichmar's lab at UC Irvine, possibly. Dr. Edelman's roadmap to a conscious machine is at https://arxiv.org/abs/2105.10461

  • by Jack000 on 9/11/22, 3:21 AM

    ML research isn't focused on art but image generation. Art is simply what people are using these models for.

    supervised training of large models requires a large amount of data. The only realistic source for this data is the internet, so text, images, audio and video.

  • by eimrine on 9/10/22, 10:04 AM

    Your question is reasonable but when asking such a question, it is good practice to clarify your definition of AI first.

    Are you talking about art AI only? Are you talking about approximation of hard problem of consciousness? Don't you consider any non-NN approaches as AI? What is the most exciting AI paper may be found in your bathroom for let me understand what kind of AI researcher you are?