by kk6mrp on 5/30/22, 6:01 PM with 115 comments
by dgb23 on 5/30/22, 6:34 PM
When you are working on yourself and reach new milestones, then it will take time until even your closest will recognize and really trust the observed changes. And I assume public / anonymous people will take even longer.
This can feel unfair, because these things are very hard like improving, changing your habits, getting a bit wiser, or learning a new skill. But it is how it is. People have an image of you and it changes in a delayed manner. It's even doubly unfair if that image is distorted in the first place.
Also people like jumping on negativity bandwagons. It seems to be one of the really stupid parts of human nature. I do it too, most people do it even if we try to avoid it most of the time. It sucks.
by vnorilo on 5/30/22, 7:05 PM
The vibe I got from sourcehut is that it's built by peers for peers, they are remarkably open about everything. The service is straightforward and doesn't force you to a particular workflow. It's a solid hosted version control with a no-nonsense web UI - open source to boot. What's not to like?
It blows my mind that someone would actively hate on such a project. Oh well, internet.
(I signed up for srht and pay a small amount for my personal non-work stuff.)
by jnsaff2 on 5/30/22, 6:39 PM
I once made a trivial PR to sway that was maybe 6 chars in total but Drew made sure I felt welcomed and even mentioned me in the list of contributors.
I find it a bit puzzling why someone who contributes so much to the community gets so much hate. Even if the opinions might not always be popular, the volume and quality of his work should speak much louder than words.
by em-bee on 5/30/22, 6:54 PM
this a thousand times. i didn't care when people insulted or criticized me, but when they went against my team, then that hurt deeply and i really took that personal.
shrugging off attacks directed at me is kind of doable, but when others are attacked because of me, then i want to be able to protect them. sometimes it works to redirect the attention to me, but when it doesn't it makes me feel helpless.
by 1MachineElf on 5/30/22, 6:09 PM
by yoavm on 5/30/22, 7:11 PM
by wheelerof4te on 5/30/22, 7:03 PM
I have used Sway and fell in love with it, it was such a discovery of simplicity and beautiful design. I read about your new language many months ago, even then realizing the potential behind it. They want to silence you because you are a beacon of new hope and ideas. They fear your potential. Don't let anyone to belittle your talent and skill.
by ta238911 on 5/30/22, 7:13 PM
Imagine just 10% of the revenue involving software globally would go into supporting all excellent open source projects that millions of people depend on on a daily basis. What a beautiful world that could be.
by dreich on 5/30/22, 10:33 PM
I most certainly can't provide an answer here but doesn't the medium (IRC, mailing lists, forums, etc) facilitate this toxic environment too? People whose sole intent is to manufacture a narrative in order to harass someone, or their project(s), are a lot more comfortable doing so online. They are guaranteed a wide audience, lots of views and publicity which in turn maximizes the damage. Rarely do I encounter this behavior in workplace meetings, conferences or venues that require physical attendance.
by hawski on 5/30/22, 7:15 PM
Now that he was involved in a new language he seems to get more bad press with it, I think mostly because he is someone that is Internet semi-famous.
I think he has his niche and people should just leave him be. As it is the question of popularity it is sad that work he was involved with also suffers, making this spiral that gets back to him. Probably what would help the most would be to go a little under the radar. It is unfair, but the Internet drain pipe must forget that he's a subject to pin things to. In his place I would limit writing to things not easily consumed by masses or associated with him - like mailing lists. It sucks, because who wouldn't like to be free to express himself and to advertise his work, but there is no spam filter for the public Internet.
by rvieira on 5/30/22, 7:26 PM
I also don't get how someone would get out of their way just to be toxic against a free, open and community-oriented project. If you don't like it, don't use it.
by no_time on 5/30/22, 8:30 PM
The rustacean cries out in pain as it pinches you.
by brianzelip on 5/30/22, 6:32 PM
by harryvederci on 5/30/22, 7:44 PM
Take it as a compliment, Drew. :)
by ushakov on 5/30/22, 7:29 PM
SourceHut turned out to be a company which values i very much share
i wasn't aware about the harassment-campaign, but i wish a soon recovery!
consider going off-line for a while and start talking to a therapist
by fitzie on 6/2/22, 3:05 PM
I consider drew a prolific coder who seems to be focused on all aspects relating to getting good code out of our brains. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if he would come out with a new keyboard next.
by akagusu on 5/31/22, 4:57 PM
Why not point this hate to corporations that are destroying our society with their unethical business practices?
by diego_sandoval on 6/6/22, 3:45 PM
The haters are always going to have a louder voice because hate is an emotion that provokes people to be loud and outspoken. Appreciation is usually silent.
by sosodev on 5/30/22, 7:38 PM
by PhantomBKB on 5/30/22, 7:17 PM
by rossdavidh on 5/30/22, 6:43 PM
by meibo on 5/30/22, 6:47 PM
It's no reason for hate or any kind of personal attacks of course, but saying "then don't contribute" is not an option for most project leads that want to build successful open source software today. You have to choose your audience and the size of it.