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Myocarditis Cases Reported After mRNA-Based Covid-19 Vaccination

by drocer88 on 1/27/22, 3:13 PM with 85 comments

  • by assbuttbuttass on 1/27/22, 3:18 PM

    It's important to mention that catching COVID also causes myocarditis https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm

    Edit: this article says out of 192 405 448 people, 1626 had myocarditis, or about 0.0008%.

    In contrast, the CDC estimates COVID has a 0.146% chance to give you myocarditis.

  • by tchalla on 1/27/22, 3:20 PM

    > To be clear: whoever gets heart inflammation from Moderna would’ve almost certainly got it worse from Covid. The issue arises from the spike protein itself. That’s why we don’t see myocarditis from non-MRNA vaccines like Astra Zeneca.

    https://twitter.com/joshzepps/status/1486213480823017472?s=2...

    Edit : Consider readied the entire Twitter thread.

    https://www.abc.net.au/radio/sydney/programs/afternoons/myoc...

    > It's hard to sift through the mass of information and misinformation that exists about COVID-19. Recently there’s been increased focus on myocarditis and whether COVID-19 vaccines increase the risk of this condition and, if so, is that risk greater or less than the risk if you contract COVID.

    > To clarify exactly what the situation is Josh Szeps spoke to an expert, Associate Professor Raj Puranik who’s a consultant cardiologist with the Royal Prince Alfred Hospital in Camperdown and board member and clinical practice advisor with the Cardiac Society of Australia and New Zealand.

  • by 0x500x79 on 1/27/22, 5:42 PM

    I know this might be a bad analogy, but it was one of the things that went through my mind during all of this as a software engineer:

    "We have this bug in production which is a Sev-1. We have a possible fix that won't make things worse we can rollout that should make things better."

    Yes, we have all been here where someone did this and it made things worse, but we also have thousands of people looking at this change and been in situations where this was required.

    I guess what I'm saying is: The spike protein is in the vaccine and the virus - injecting ourselves with a spike protein to build immunity is likely less impactful than getting the entire virus. If it is truly the spike protein that causes myocarditis, then it causing issues in vaccination is a non-issue. There is a (in my mind high, but we need controlled studies on it) chance that the same people would have gotten myocarditis from Covid. If we can limit the number of other side-effects that people have during the myocarditis then it seems like a win.

    I am by no means a virologist or an expert in vaccines, just my thought process.

  • by disambiguation on 1/27/22, 3:32 PM

    > Results Among 192 405 448 persons receiving a total of 354 100 845 mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines during the study period, there were 1991 reports of myocarditis to VAERS and 1626 of these reports met the case definition of myocarditis.

    So.. we're using VAERS now?

  • by alfor on 1/27/22, 3:51 PM

    Sun exposure to reduce severity of covid (not vitamin D, infrared radiation)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zzo4SJopcY&t=1003s

  • by newbamboo on 1/27/22, 3:56 PM

    Now we need to see if it’s lower in one of the many nations that train their nurses, correctly, to aspirate the injection.

  • by stjohnswarts on 1/27/22, 8:37 PM

    Good I'm glad they were able to share the risk was minimal and line with previous discussions on the matter. I'm sure that Fox News will turn this into a complete fail for medical science and NOT report the comparitive death rate of people who are completely unvaxxed.

  • by draw_down on 1/27/22, 3:21 PM

    > This risk should be considered in the context of the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination.

    Whoa now, easy on the antivaxxer rhetoric!

  • by scotty79 on 1/27/22, 3:28 PM

    Number of registered cases of myocarditits after vaccination is not very different from baseline, while covid infection increses risk of miocarditis 16 times.

    I wouldn't be surprised if incresed risk of miocarditis after second dose is completely explained by changes in behavior of people who finally got vaccinated after many monthes of lockdowns.

    They probably started going out more and exposing themselves to coronavirus which vaccine provides partial protection against.

    Researchers don't even exclude from this research people who got full blown covid before their miocarditis.

  • by gkfasdfasdf on 1/27/22, 3:28 PM

    Great twitter thread on this subject [0]:

    "Data out of Israel ... suggests that vaccine-induced myocarditis is caused by the spike protein. In that case, Covid would cause the same condition in the same person -- but more severely, attached to a fully-fledged living virus.

    To be clear: whoever gets heart inflammation from Moderna would’ve almost certainly got it worse from Covid. The issue arises from the spike protein itself. That’s why we don’t see myocarditis from non-MRNA vaccines like Astra Zeneca."

    [0]: https://twitter.com/joshzepps/status/1486213462816866304?t=P...