by krajzeg on 12/23/21, 12:36 AM with 76 comments
by allenu on 12/23/21, 7:10 AM
This is really great stuff and I think important as "developer archaeology". The 80s and 90s don't seem that long ago (to those of us who were around), but it's easy to forget people back then didn't have the sophisticated tools we have today. That said, people did have tools, so it's awesome to be able to get a glimpse into the workflow of folks back then.
by im_down_w_otp on 12/23/21, 3:46 AM
This is a fantastic article!
by kingcharles on 12/23/21, 6:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lubyi79e6SY
It was meant to be 100% 2D, and the programming and art went down that path for a few months before it was realized that there just wasn't enough RAM on PCs of the time to store all the possible sprites for the characters in every rotation. The numbers get out of hand very quickly when you have four main characters, each of which can walk in 8 or 16 directions, can also run, walk up stairs, climb ladders, crawl, fire one of 20 different guns etc. The isometric backgrounds are all sheets of 2D tiles, laid out just like in Street Fighter and every other sprite based game.
So, several months into development it was decided to change all the characters to 3D to save RAM. I switched the entire game over in two weeks, including creating all the tooling to convert from 3D Studio to.. whatever the fuck, because there were no rules in those days. When that game was started there were almost no 3D accelerators, and I don't remember if you needed specific SDK for them. I seem to remember our game couldn't use them, perhaps because of the way the 3D and 2D were composited in the frame, which was very unusual - most games were either 2D or 3D, not a combination.
Are there any easter eggs hidden in the sprites for SFII? There were various ones in Abomination, mainly written in the graffiti around the cities.
And then there are ones like this (TFT) that we can't talk about: https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/3ylmm4/a_staggering...
by Waterluvian on 12/23/21, 4:37 AM
It got me thinking about a kind of compression algorithm could find byte overlaps and re-pack the sprites, and then adjust the addresses.
This got me thinking: are there any compression algorithms that do not require decompression? You pack them once and then just point at slices.
Then this got me thinking: is that just what unzipping is doing, just eagerly?
by rmetzler on 12/23/21, 11:24 AM
I think this is something we should do more today. Defining a memory budget, and staying inside.
by mewse-hn on 12/23/21, 5:50 AM
by ben7799 on 12/23/21, 2:25 PM
Funny thing is I'm pretty darn sure I have no desire to work in commercial game development these days, but would have loved to back then. The creativity around limitations was amazing back then and it seemed like so much care was put into making games fun. These days it seems like addiction mechanisms, getting people to spend more money, obsessiveness with graphics over gameplay, etc.. are ruining everything.
by blondin on 12/23/21, 3:23 AM
there is so much secrecy surrounding video game development in japan. especially the 8 and 16-bit era. i was very interested in how they did pixel art back then. they supposedly drew them using special keyboards and CRT monitors.
there is one page on the whole internet that briefly mentioned the process.
by ggambetta on 12/23/21, 8:58 AM
One thing that surprises me is that in such a ROM-constrained context, the artists weren't asked to save some more. There's some tiles that are empty except for a handful of corner or side pixels; I could imagine going to the artists and asking them to tweak the pose a tiny bit to save a tile.
Or maybe what we're seeing in these sheets is the result of doing that just enough to fit their game into the available ROM, at which point they didn't need to free any more tiles?
by phkahler on 12/23/21, 2:59 PM
My guess is that it was easier to encode and use a blank tile than to specify those strange shapes where sprites are non-rectangular. Just tell the hardware the size in tiles and then offer a set of tiles that includes blanks. This could be confirmed or refuted once they find the area in ROM that specifies how to put the tiles together to form a sprite.
It sounds like a complete sprite had to be entirely on one page, so there must be a list of tile numbers to compose a sprite and they would be 1 byte each. since they know the tile layout for some of the poses, they should be able to write down that sequence of bytes and look for it in the ROM, then check if there are zero tiles in there. Or just check the MAME source code since that level of detail was probably all figured out a long time ago for that project :-)
by city41 on 12/23/21, 2:39 PM
The Neo Geo's hardware offers a few graphical features that work by assuming the tiles are ordered in a certain way. It's an interesting challenge to meet those requirements.
by thrdbndndn on 12/23/21, 7:21 AM
If they can split an image into multiple tiles at different addresses (as they did in some examples shown in the article), shouldn't they only need to care about the total tile number? Why did they bother to try to fit these postures (more or less) as whole on sheet, or making these sheets at all?
by hariswill on 12/23/21, 5:06 AM
by malkia on 12/23/21, 7:12 AM
... Could've been another game, but it was fun trying to decode the images :)
(I think it also makes pixel to pixel collision easier to tackle, but don't remember the details - this might've been Star Control II thing, another game we used (as kids) to decode images/mods)
by paulryanrogers on 12/24/21, 2:00 AM
by aelphssss on 12/23/21, 3:46 PM
by teloli on 12/23/21, 6:34 AM
by bluedino on 12/23/21, 3:48 PM
I wonder if they used this same method on the SNES or not.
by HeckFeck on 12/23/21, 10:17 AM
Eye pleasing and no distraction from the text, as a web page should be.
by snarfy on 12/23/21, 9:29 AM
by ZeroGravitas on 12/24/21, 9:50 AM
by authed on 12/23/21, 4:33 AM