by Trisell on 11/30/21, 5:18 PM with 358 comments
by laserbeam on 11/30/21, 8:39 PM
https://aws.amazon.com/private5g/faqs/
There's no "telecom as a service", and there's no "5g can be split into multiple networks" nonsense.
Amazon is just selling 5g access points and hardware (just like you would install wifi), and rents you a private connection for that hardware to AWS, and management of that network from AWS. Basically.
by WORMS_EAT_WORMS on 11/30/21, 6:41 PM
Super cool. For those who are glancing over, this is a big deal. 5G isn't really like 4G upgraded. It's more its own thing. I believe this has been available though for a while and many telecoms have partnerships with FAANG beyond Amazon.
With 5G you can essentially split a network into multiple partitions and scale them independently on-demand called Network Slicing. (like cloud computing but just the network).
This could be extremely useful for security. Maybe even the death of VPNs. This is also useful for scaling network resources to services as they need it.
Short-term, things like "Tesla Free Network" could exist for their self-driving cars. Or, Uber offering free fast Internet to their drivers or a truly private device.
Long-term, I am concerned about the emergence of private networks with different access. Such as a "Google Network" or a "Netflix Network" that offer different services or privacy levels at different costs.
It's a crazy, scary, but also fun direction we are going.
Edit: Final comment. If you think this might be the death of AT&T with independent providers, think again . Amazon & Co. and others like Google are bringing their developer platform, while the telecoms offer their infrastructure. It's a gross partnership that makes sense. When you send bits over the network -- everyone will be getting paid except you.
by Ballu on 11/30/21, 8:54 PM
1) Private 5G can be deployed either with licensed operator (Cellular provider) or in CBRS band (CBRS band is opened by FCC for the private cellular deployment). It can be used free or paid, different options. (Fees is minimal).
2) CBRS still doesnt support 5G. No idea how AWS will provide. But even if it is private 4G, for the end user it doesnt matter.
3) Your available bandwidth is limited by the air waves bandwidth you are using, nit by 4G or 5G. Per enterprise, CBRS band is limited to LTE equivalent band (20MHz). Total CBRS band is 200MHz, if I am not wrong). You are not going to get giga speed just because its 5G.
4) Not all phones support CBRS band. You will be limited to CBRS band support in handset feature. 5) Each end device will need SIM (SIM card either physical or virtual). Its not like your laptop will be connected with private 4G or 5G. You will need modem as well as SIM card (unless your devices support these features).
6) Its really for small geographic reason. Its not that easy to take the equipment with you and start using. (like in car or train etc).
7) There is a concept of SAS server, that's why AWS device needs to be connected to this server in cloud (There are SAS license holders, to them). Once you install the system and that is connected to the SAS server, first you get the frequency band which is open in your area. If some one using that band (another CBRS player), you are out of luck (ask me , who has to call different teams when deploy in lab). PLus, there are scenarios when these licenses can be revoked (if you are using free band). The law enforcement can ask FCC to use the band temporarily. GCC can revoke your lic and stop the system.
What AWS did is big, but for enterprises.
by FemmeAndroid on 11/30/21, 5:45 PM
by mfer on 11/30/21, 5:43 PM
by joewadcan on 11/30/21, 7:11 PM
1 Magma - Facebook built 5G hotspot platform: https://www.magmacore.org/
2 AWS FAQ - https://aws.amazon.com/private5g/faqs/
by arendtio on 11/30/21, 6:55 PM
(Honest question)
by ethanpil on 11/30/21, 5:42 PM
by commoner on 11/30/21, 11:12 PM
https://www.fiercewireless.com/5g/dishs-rouanne-says-aws-5g-...
by anonymousDan on 11/30/21, 5:36 PM
by vijaykodam on 12/1/21, 9:55 AM
For more info: https://dac.nokia.com/private-wireless/
Disclaimer: I work for Nokia.
by 8ytecoder on 11/30/21, 9:31 PM
by axegon_ on 11/30/21, 6:30 PM
by a-dub on 11/30/21, 7:54 PM
it's still a little unclear to me when 5g becomes a better option than 802.11. the standard bands are just a little faster than lte (which 802.11 outperforms) and the mmwave high bandwidth stuff requires line of sight with no occlusion. 802.11 seems better all around, it can work at high bandwidth without the line of sight requirements... especially considering that most mobile devices are designed to switch between 802.11 and mobile.
by tyingq on 11/30/21, 6:10 PM
I don't know how this service differs in pricing, so it's hard to quantify when this AWS service would be a better idea outside of coverage issues.
by milesward on 11/30/21, 6:19 PM
by cbsmith on 12/1/21, 1:01 AM
Yes, just as with LTE, CBRS is one of the bands (specifically n48) allocated for 5GNR. The GAA tier is pretty open for anyone to use, with all the good & the bad that comes with that. Apple added n48 with the iPhone 11, and a lot of other popular phones support either LTE or 5G on that band.
In effect, CBRS 5G is like WiFi with better range.
by verelo on 11/30/21, 5:41 PM
by jack_riminton on 11/30/21, 5:42 PM
by htrp on 11/30/21, 9:09 PM
Unfortunately, no mention of actual pricing.
by eliseumds on 11/30/21, 6:55 PM
by henvic on 11/30/21, 5:58 PM
by yayr on 11/30/21, 8:11 PM
by benjaminwai on 11/30/21, 5:57 PM
by kizer on 11/30/21, 7:42 PM
by ACAVJW4H on 11/30/21, 5:41 PM
by simonebrunozzi on 11/30/21, 6:38 PM
5G uses multiple bands, and the most useful, and highest throughput one, doesn't have a great range (high band, 24 GHz and up). So, perhaps you use 5G tech/devices but not use that, and instead focus on low band (600–900 MHz, few kilometers of range)? Would a mining company use this to oversee a large property? Would a large cattle operation benefit?
by ghshephard on 11/30/21, 5:34 PM
by djfergus on 11/30/21, 8:34 PM
By default, AWS Private 5G uses shared spectrum like Citizens Broadband Radio Service (CBRS) in the US.
by Raed667 on 11/30/21, 6:18 PM
by cinbun8 on 11/30/21, 5:31 PM
by no_time on 11/30/21, 7:28 PM
>Enable business-critical applications
I'm not sure what manufacturing facility are they talking about but at the places I know you will get ridiculed for even entertaining the idea of controlling infrastructure over anything but good old copper or fiber.
And they are right.
by parhamn on 11/30/21, 5:38 PM
by turtlebits on 11/30/21, 5:47 PM
edit: Reading more, it might not be the right use case - doesn't sound like something you use for your phone.
by bhewes on 11/30/21, 8:33 PM
by ram_rattle on 12/1/21, 6:05 AM
by drewda on 11/30/21, 6:11 PM
by londons_explore on 11/30/21, 11:32 PM
by epa on 11/30/21, 5:52 PM
by alexatalktome on 11/30/21, 6:51 PM
by IMSAI8080 on 11/30/21, 7:57 PM
by javajosh on 11/30/21, 6:49 PM
The implication of this product concerns me, although maybe it's just a communication issue. Amazon is selling this as an Amazon product, but wifi isn't an Amazon product, nor is 5G. They are retailing the gear to put up a 5G network - so why call it a "product" and roll it out like this?
by a5withtrrs on 12/1/21, 9:09 AM
by nerdbaggy on 11/30/21, 5:34 PM
by atlgator on 11/30/21, 9:01 PM
by jgalt212 on 11/30/21, 7:10 PM
by the_arun on 11/30/21, 5:46 PM
by vmception on 11/30/21, 7:31 PM
anyway Amazon could handle the logistics to rollout hardware much better than existing manufacturers on the Helium network.
by nixpulvis on 11/30/21, 6:18 PM
by NicoJuicy on 11/30/21, 10:48 PM
by throwbigdata on 12/1/21, 1:41 AM
by imwillofficial on 11/30/21, 9:43 PM
For those who were mistaken, which was it?
by Digory on 11/30/21, 9:26 PM
Which seems to be true for me. Despite having semi-pro levels of wifi gear and a "fiber" provider at home, I can often get transfers work by turning 'off' the wifi and going to LTE.
If I were a campus IT administrator, it probably makes a lot of sense to get rid of wifi costs.
by unixhero on 11/30/21, 7:24 PM
by savant_penguin on 11/30/21, 7:54 PM
by rajul on 11/30/21, 5:30 PM
by fredliu on 11/30/21, 5:44 PM
-- Edit: I don't own any Helium, just curious from tech side what this new AWS service could offer. Not sure the downvotes are particularly about Helium or any crypto related discussion.
by kumarski on 11/30/21, 5:47 PM
I'm not sufficiently technical on this front and so I'm probably being a little on the side of paranoia but I don't trust Amazon with my cellular infrastructure.
by sbisson on 11/30/21, 6:26 PM
https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/solutions/private-multi-ac...