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Something special is happening in Barcelona

by reallydontask on 10/23/21, 6:00 PM with 149 comments

  • by yawaworht1978 on 10/23/21, 9:14 PM

    I used to live in Barcelona, the infrastructure is definitely anti car in every aspect, it's desired to be. For such a large city, the car traffic is minimal, there are not enough parking opportunities, especially at the beach. There would be space, but the government knows better, if you have ever been in a tourist destination in Spain during peak season you will know that there is no way to accommodate all the cars. The only traffic jams you'll encounter is if an accident happened or if you go from Barcelona outwards toward the airport, when commuters go home on Friday afternoons or evening when headed to the nicer , less crowded beaches in the south. But absolutely nothing compared to London, I have lived there as well and driven a car. It's the city with the worst traffic jams you can imagine, it starts at 7am and never really ends, after 8pm it's quite calm and deserted one weekdays. But weekends, if you wanna go from the south east to the north, God help you. It's very bicycle friendly, own parts of the roads, unobstructed by cars. Taxis have a separate lane, and buses as well. The public transportation is also very good, affordable, you have buses, underground trains, and well, overground trains. And it's a nice city to walk, the old part of town, the huge parks, really nice.

    A role model implementation as far reducing car traffic issues go. Many people use these electro kind skateboards(forgot name) and scooters. And many people just walk. Of course , it needs to be mentioned that Barcelona is not built like American suburb areas, it's all apartment blocks of 3-7 stories, all blocks glued together. It's tight, they even have a convention on how to dry your clothes on balconies and how not to do it. Barcelona has many other issues, the typical ones for large cities, but transport and car traffic, I haven't seen better in Europe.

  • by GekkePrutser on 10/23/21, 7:14 PM

    I live there too, and traffic here is pretty busy. Personally I don't really understand why so many people drive. Because public transport here is extremely efficient and cheap. I don't even own a car here and I'm really happy to no longer need one.

    But if I had kids I wouldn't really let them participate. Even with the police escort, they might lose the group and be on their own in this busy city.

    I'm from near Amsterdam myself and there cyclists are the kinds of the road. Here it's very different.

    The mayor is very green and she's trying to pedestrianise a lot, but it's limited to a few lane closures and a handful of "superilla" test blocks. I think there is a lot of resistance to it. I really support her efforts but sadly she doesn't seem to be that popular. She also tried to clean up an area near the seafront with seedy nightclubs and casinos but got a lot of flak for that. I often see graffiti blaming her for stuff :(

  • by frereubu on 10/23/21, 9:16 PM

    I had an idea similar to this, based on my experience of Critical Mass cycle rides in London: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Mass_(cycling)

    It was called "Cycle Pods", which would be mini-critical mass rides for commuters. You'd probably need between five and ten riders who cycle the same route each day at a roughly similar pace, so you could register with a route and see whose rides were similar to yours.

    The other idea was even more loose, where you'd wear something like a tabard with an identifiable "cycle pods" logo where anyone who was wearing one was effectively advertising that they were open to riding with other people. I preferred this version because it's simpler and decentralised. Anyone could make something with the logo on it, so no purchase or registration needed.

    I love the idea of doing it with kids, but honestly some of the reactions we got from car and van drivers with the Critical Mass rides, even when we were going at a decent pace, were incredibly dangerous, and I'd worry about that with kids unless the police were involved, as they were in this Bicibús. We had to have outriders looking out for car drivers who'd try to drive into the middle of the mass. There's something about cyclists taking over the road that really provokes some drivers.

  • by moralestapia on 10/23/21, 6:20 PM

    This has been going on in Guadalajara (México) for like 10 years or so (before the pandemic).

    It got so big that at one point the city decided to close some of the main roads every Sunday, making them exclusive to pedestrians, bicycles, scooters, or whatever-thing-that-is-not-a-car.

  • by yokaze on 10/23/21, 7:13 PM

    If you read this, or other things about reducing car traffic in Barcelona, one should keep the following in mind: https://ajuntament.barcelona.cat/lafabricadelsol/en/noticia/...

    6000cars/km² in Barcelona.

    San Francisco/Oakland metropolitan area has 4000/sq mi... 1540/km²

    Guttenberg, NJ has the highest in the US with 20,600/sq mi (8000/km²)

    Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.planetizen.com/node/45622%3...

  • by LeoPanthera on 10/23/21, 8:09 PM

    This is a surprisingly clever idea. (Or maybe I am not clever enough to come up with stuff like this.)

    As explained the followup tweets: By extending the route to cover multiple schools, with fixed arrival times at each destination, people can join and leave the "bike bus" as it passes through. Even regular business commuters are joining the bike bus.

    I love it.

  • by alkonaut on 10/23/21, 9:08 PM

    This is very clever. I could imagine this makes drivers pick other times to drive eventually so once this is common enough, then at certain times there would be very little traffic. If cities were effectively car-free for just 30 minutes in the morning that could make a huge difference in the number of people riding bikes.
  • by Fargren on 10/23/21, 6:43 PM

    Reminds me of Masa Crítica in Buenos Aires, a monthly event where lots (probably around a hundred, maybe two?) of bikers would pedal from the city center to the outskirts, to show support for the rights of people using bicycles.
  • by throwaway984393 on 10/23/21, 11:43 PM

    I can't wait to scroll down and read the comments from angry drivers who just want these damn kids to get out of the road so they can get to wherever they won't be able to park even faster.

    Edit: I was not disappointed.

  • by Aachen on 10/23/21, 7:06 PM

    "Something special" oooh, how mysteriously... enticing... clickbait... Does someone who clicked want to suggest a better title for OP?
  • by throwaway2016a on 10/23/21, 8:55 PM

    This is great.

    I wish I lived in a more bike friendly area. Here that would result in people being honked at and cars impatiently passing them at high speeds.

  • by Tomte on 10/23/21, 8:40 PM

    Some towns in Germany have this concept for students walking to their schools. There are even improvised bus stop signs at the side of the road.
  • by Anthony-G on 10/23/21, 10:43 PM

    We’ve also had similar “cycle buses” for school children in Irish cities for the past few years: https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0901/1162590-school-cycle-bus-l...
  • by throwawaysea on 10/23/21, 8:28 PM

    This would be incredibly frustrating to me as a car driver. I don’t think having shared roads for a vocal minority of bikers makes sense. It basically slows down everyone to bike speed, which I realize is the unspoken strategy of bike activists, and it is also why I am against supporting bike-friendly policies in their current form. It makes more sense to have cities build raised biking/walking lanes outside of the traffic (on pillars). Why aren’t cities exploring such strategies to accommodate those who like the fast point to point benefits of cars alongside those who are OK taking it slow or going out for a bike ride?
  • by reducesuffering on 10/23/21, 6:39 PM

    Reminds of the rideouts happening all over US cities. If only they would just clamp down on swerving cars.

    https://youtu.be/-1mmAdy3D8o?t=254

  • by curiousgal on 10/23/21, 7:07 PM

    That's a great way to engrain cycling in them. Hopefully they grow up to be good cyclists though, as a pedestrian currently living in Paris, urban cyclists suck.
  • by rektide on 10/23/21, 9:16 PM

    once again just really really wish there were p2p ways to connect & send data about.

    i imagine the phones on the bike bus advertising who they are, what their schedule is, who can join, how to join, and letting folks about know what the route is, what disruption to expect, how to plan around this happening.

    hoping on the bandwagon is enough to make this happen in some places but i think the core kernel idea could use some shareability & amplifiability in other places. a more reductionist expression is simply that the real world lacks virality potential. projects like Google's Eddystone[1]/Project Lighthouse (2015) are few & far between, underfunded & in Eddystone's case seemingly abandoned, but embuing reality with more of the neat connective capabilities of the computerized info-verse remains- i think- a key enabler.

    [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddystone_(Google)

  • by xg15 on 10/24/21, 1:54 PM

    Reminds me of the Critical Mass movement: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Mass_(cycling)
  • by gwbas1c on 10/24/21, 12:34 AM

    When I traveled to the Netherlands, after school, I'd see gangs of kids going home on bike. I vaguely remember seeing groups of about 10-15 kids on bikes.

    Not exactly the same thing, but quite similar.

  • by senectus1 on 10/24/21, 1:39 AM

    roads are expensive infrastructure, I don't know about Barcelona but in Australia the roads are paid for by the drivers (at least atm the fossil fuel drivers), how will the maintain and pay for new roads if they take them over with cyclists?

    for the record, I cycle, drive a hybrid and am looking to buy an electric car. I'm not singling out cyclists as a hate target. I'm genuinely curious how this is going to work.

  • by pvaldes on 10/24/21, 9:12 AM

    What is happening is that after the last years nonsense, plus covid19 thing, is not so appealing to tourism than it was before, specially to inner tourism. So they need to clean their image with more positive news, pretend that it never happened, that all is happy-happy, and move on.

    Positive news that are heartwarming and nice but will be irrelevant for the grand scheme of things. Call me cynical if you want, but this is not a real change, is just another PR stunt stuff.

  • by throw63738 on 10/23/21, 7:31 PM

    Some pictures show there is perfectly working cycling path next to road. As someone who walks and uses bus, I have little sympathy for such stunts. Just another privileged group stealing public roads. Next time it will be politician and his convoy.