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It's time to build: a New World's Fair

by camwiese on 3/16/21, 7:05 PM with 225 comments

  • by Animats on 3/16/21, 9:23 PM

    The last really prophetic world's fair was New York, 1939. That's famous for GM's vision of the future of 1960, the original "Futurerama" . Freeways everywhere. RCA had television. AT&T let you make free long distance calls. All that stuff happened.

    The 1964 World's Fair had another GM exhibit. Colonization of the Moon. Underwater cities. None of that happened.

    What could we have in a World's Fair now that looks ahead? Colonization of Mars? Mars sucks as real estate. There may be research bases there someday, but as a self-sufficient area, it would be tougher than Antarctica or a continental shelf. Robots may some day be a thing, but they still don't work well in unstructured environments.

  • by poisonborz on 3/16/21, 8:25 PM

    I admire the optimism and motivational tone of the article, but fairs and expos are a thing of the past. We don't need to build elaborate, carefully constructed single-use cities to showcase the scientific advances of the world. Those showcases happen day by day on the internet and mass media.
  • by lswainemoore on 3/16/21, 8:17 PM

    Nitpicky/unsolicited UI feedback:

    I do a lot of double/triple clicking to highlight text as I read online (fidgeting, but also helps keep track of where I am). On your site, triple clicking unintentionally hits the twitter share button, which opens a new, unwanted window. Bit annoying.

    Medium does something similar, but they offset the button so you have to move cursor in between clicks to actually trigger the button.

  • by ipsum2 on 3/16/21, 8:21 PM

    No mention of Expo 2010, which had representation from 65 different countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expo_2010_pavilions. I didn't go, but the photos of the architecture from the different countries were beautiful.

    > After the six-month run, the Expo had attracted well over 70 million visitors. The Expo 2010 is also the most expensive fair in the history of World's Fair, with more than 45 billion US dollars invested from the Chinese Government

  • by git_configured on 3/16/21, 7:35 PM

    Was very surprised to not see any mention of Expo2020, which has been hailed as a "World's Fair for the 21st Century". UAE and Dubai put tons of resources and capital into it but obviously had to deal with the issue of in person events in 2020. As I understand it has been rescheduled for the end of 2021...

    https://expo2020dubai.ae/en/

  • by alex_young on 3/16/21, 9:23 PM

    It’s not exactly the same, but Burning Man comes pretty close in a lot of ways.

    If you haven’t been, there are thousands of art projects at a grand scale, things that take up blocks of space a piece, and they are built by artists from around the world, giving everyone a global perspective of what is possible.

    I also love the idea of showcasing what is possible for a society. There is a true sense of community, immediacy, and collaboration where everyone there is an active participant.

    There are dozens of smaller events with similar properties, likely one nearby.

  • by Aeolun on 3/16/21, 10:34 PM

    > They no longer showcase the promise of the future or celebrate achievement. Instead, they serve as national branding exercises, infrastructure development projects masquerading as innovation, architecture competitions, and an opportunity to promote tourism

    I kind of feel that these were the exact goals of the original world fairs too.

  • by Johnny555 on 3/16/21, 8:51 PM

    From the article:

    ...wait eagerly for Jessica Watkins to take the first step on Mars

    There's an unfortunate name collision, I didn't know who Jessica Watkins was so Googled her, and the top results are for a Jessica Watkins who participated in the attack on the USA Capitol... I spent a moment pondering what her link to Mars was.. but farther down the results list is NASA astronaut Jessica Watkins.

    It's a shame that the astronaut has her search results cluttered by the insurrectionist. Back when I was doing online dating, I shared a name (and similar age and nearby city) with the brother of a recently convicted serial killer, searching for my name brought up articles about him... I warned potential dates that if they looked me up online, I'm not that guy (which, I suppose, is exactly what the brother of a serial killer would say).

  • by dgellow on 3/16/21, 8:34 PM

    > Now, flicking your wearable token with impatient fingers, you feel a slight force as your Hyperloop pod comes to a stop.

    You lost me at “Hyperloop”. How is that a vision of the future when we know for a fact that the idea doesn’t make practical sense?

  • by fortran77 on 3/16/21, 8:59 PM

    The 1963-64 world's fair shaped my entire life. My earliest clear memories were from that fair, and ever since I've been fascinated by "futurism", technology, computers, space, architecture, etc.

    Every school and career choice I've made was based on some inspirational spark that hit me there.

  • by kaycebasques on 3/16/21, 7:31 PM

    The post starts to share a vision for a new fair. Are they proposing that the new fair should actually contain all those elements? Or is it just an example? How were the visions in the previous (successful) fairs agreed upon? Did space go to the highest bidders? Furthermore, was the space divvied up so that NASA had a section (for example) and Ford had their own space? Or was it all intermingled?
  • by UncleOxidant on 3/16/21, 10:15 PM

    I'm not sure we can ever get back to the techno-optimism that characterized much of America in the past. This article seems to suggest that we as a country can become optimistic about the future again by having a World's Fair. That by doing so we'll recapture a shared vision of the future and a shared cultural purpose that we had until it started to fall apart in the 90s. It's a quaint idea, but it doesn't seem likely to succeed in bridging the widening gaps between various tribes. Much of this cultural disintegration was caused by technology.
  • by reaperducer on 3/16/21, 7:45 PM

    Naysayers always complain that these fairs cost too much money and are entirely fluff events. History shows that's not true.

    For example, over a hundred years later, Chicago is still making money from the economic, social, and infrastructure benefits of its fairs.

  • by buzzert on 3/16/21, 11:58 PM

    I really think the closest thing we have these days is the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Vegas every winter.

    At some point in the last twenty years or so, it became less about companies demoing next year’s products and more about really grand visions of the future (of course, where the company in question was the centerpiece of this grand vision). I believe it was Panasonic in 2020 who had a huge booth showing off a flying car concept, accompanied by a wall-to-wall LED display showing a video of families in the future taking it to work/school/etc.

    Once I realized that CES is less of a marketing event and more of a modern World’s Fair, I really started to enjoy it a lot more. Even with the corporatism. Can’t wait to (hopefully) go again next year!

  • by musicale on 3/16/21, 10:16 PM

    I miss the Maker Faire in its heyday, when it was mostly individual inventors and crafters showing cool stuff they had made and how they made them.
  • by jhu247 on 3/16/21, 10:21 PM

    It's amazing to me that the World's Fair gave us so many iconic and wonderful structures, all of which are probably too impractical to build otherwise: the Eiffel Tower, Space Needle, Unisphere, Palace of Fine Arts, etc. It's unrealistic, but it's worth having a new world's fair just for an excuse to build another one of these!
  • by mattowen_uk on 3/16/21, 8:04 PM

    Here in the UK (and Commonwealth) we had The Great Exhibition:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Exhibition

  • by albertTJames on 3/16/21, 9:13 PM

    World fairs were possible because labor was cheap and the west was rich.
  • by u678u on 3/16/21, 8:01 PM

    I'm pretty sure they are still going, though less frequently. After 2020 Dubai, 23 is in Argentina and 25 will be in Japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_fair
  • by colecut on 3/16/21, 9:20 PM

    This will probably get some flack and I am not a hardcore burner by any means, I went for a few days in 2010...

    But Burning Man to me seems like a bit of a World's Fair. I met some people who brought a massive insect-inspired art car from Australia..

  • by reactspa on 3/16/21, 7:58 PM

    YouTube is the world's fair.
  • by drivingmenuts on 3/16/21, 10:02 PM

    A World’s Fair now would be like The Olympics, a ridiculously expensive, corruption-laden affair that would cost many countries more than they could ever recoup, benefiting only a few rich 1st-world countries and/or multi-national companies. While the average person would see “marvels”, they’d be the corporate-approved, mass-market-acceptable marvels that were cleared through legal before being shown to the public.

    You can see more innovation in an afternoon spent on blogs than you would ever see in a 6-month long, static display of corporate bullshit.

  • by markdown on 3/16/21, 9:26 PM

    If you hold it in the US, it could have only American companies represented and still call it the World's Fair. Just like Baseball.
  • by hyko on 3/16/21, 8:25 PM

    Does nobody remember the Millennium Dome?

    They had an exhibit called “MoneyZone” which included a tunnel made out of £1 million in crisp fifties.

    Good times.

  • by xwdv on 3/16/21, 9:52 PM

    Why is the future always just a catalog of cool shit you might be able to buy one day if they figure out how to make it?
  • by ngcc_hk on 3/16/21, 9:38 PM

    Talk to the U, Hk, and B people in Asia, ... sorry but “collective vision” is the problem. NASA does not dominate but individual. Collective is evil and commonness is a crime. Let individual be individual. You do not need this for a steve job to thrive. But any joint ignoring individual rights ... it would be 1984 coming today, as it has and coming to a lot of human beings.
  • by snambi on 3/17/21, 1:12 AM

    We have been told that technology is the solution to problems we face. But, many problems we face are created by technology itself. May be it is time to look at technology not as a solution. Technology may provide solutions at some times for specific cases. but we need to be very selective and careful about that technology.
  • by harles on 3/16/21, 8:45 PM

    > Unfortunately, this all started to change after the U.S. put a man on the moon. While this was certainly a "giant leap for mankind," we lacked an understanding of what our next step would be.

    Is there supporting evidence of these assertions? There are some interesting ideas in here, but I’m not seeing anything to back them up.

  • by unixhero on 3/16/21, 10:04 PM

    Was Walt Disney's EPCOT vision ever part of the world fair?
  • by viksit on 3/16/21, 11:14 PM

    Maybe what we could do in a much more short term is another "Mother of all Demos" [1], focused on more than just the future of computing technology?

    Have calls to action/RFPs, and have a conference of some sort - the goal is to have one cohesive demo per track. Distribute this thinking across the world, like Pioneer.app does instead of consolidating it in one country or geographical area.

    And live cast it to everyone.

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mother_of_All_Demos

  • by zestyping on 3/16/21, 9:39 PM

    Hmm. I fear that a World's Fair would be an extremely attractive venue for quackery and pseudoscience. How would we avoid that?
  • by devoutsalsa on 3/16/21, 10:28 PM

    I’m imagining a future where you can get idempotently vaccinated w/ legit antibodies for any in person event you attend for near instant immunity to illness.
  • by CaptArmchair on 3/16/21, 8:41 PM

    I feel the article is, at best, a nostalgic take to a Post-War time between 1945 and 1970. And, at worst, merely an itch to indulge in consuming modern technology.

    Both takes are missing the mark about what a World Fair is about. Here's why.

    The 3 decades after 1945 were a time when economies of formerly allied nations were booming. In France, these years äre known as the "Trente Glorieuses". Many more countries had their own "economic miracle" during this time. Even West-Germany and Austria had their own "Wirtschaftwunder" as their economies bounced back.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post%E2%80%93World_War_II_econ...

    Many parts of the world were still formal colonies to Western nations, or their economies hadn't fully modernized yet to a point where a sizable middle-class has access to democratized /commoditized comforts of a Western lifestyle e.g. aviation, healthcare, education, even sanitation, access to media and so on.

    Not to mention the spectre of the Cold War that loomed over these decades.

    Against this historic backdrop, the fair is notable because it was a showcase of mid-20th century American culture and technology. That shouldn't really come as a surprise since it was firmly organized within the sphere of influence of America's hegemony.

    Such were the times in 1965. And they are incomparable to 2021. The organization of a World Fair in 1965 happened in a vastly different context, with vastly different incentives, interests and motives then it does in 2021.

    The author misses that completely and marches blindly onward hence:

    > Today, World's Fairs have been rebranded as "International Expositions" that occur every 5 years, and are a hollow shell of their former glory. They no longer showcase the promise of the future or celebrate achievement. Instead, they serve as national branding exercises, infrastructure development projects masquerading as innovation, architecture competitions, and an opportunity to promote tourism. If anything, they're the perfect representation of our current vision for the future: unfocused and uninspiring.

    > But it doesn't have to be this way; we can't afford for it to be this way.

    > The world has changed dramatically since 1984. We now live in the most incredible time in human history. The internet has brought billions of people together and tech companies have given us supercomputers in our pockets. We're starting to build hyperloops and supersonic jets. We're on the cusp of incredible breakthroughs in genetics, biology, medicine, food science, energy, transportation, manufacturing, computing, and robotics. We're finally going back to the moon and then on to Mars. We've once again seen the power of a collective vision with the record-breaking development of the COVID-19 vaccine.

    The World's Fair is a reflection of the World in 2021 and the future. With the complexity of representing 7.8 billion people, an array of sovereign nations which didn't exist in 1965. It's an event which competes with against the complexity of a exploding plethora of modern mass media, new stakeholders, emerging markets, and so on fueled by globalisation, digitization and automatisation.

    A Fair isn't just an marketing event, it's a global forum that aims beyond other events that present themselves as global fora or gatherings. It's an opportunity for nations and peoples to present a showcase to the world. It gives them the chance to put a message out. In that regard, the World Fair is akin to that other global event where the world gathers: The Olympics.

    The organization of the World Fair is no longer rooted in the political or economical global hegemony of a handful of "first-world" (for lack a better term) nations showing off their industrial might and international prowess, such as it was during the latter half of the 20th century.

    The Fair is now also home to many new nations and upcoming economies or regional powers who are making their entrance to the World's stage, and to whom the importance isn't plain "technological innovation" but above all showing themselves to the world, what they have to offer to the world, what their aspirations are, what they hope for the futre, and taking part in the global forum.

    In that regard, the vision for World Fair extends far beyond technology per the offical website:

    https://www.bie-paris.org/site/en/what-is-an-expo

    For sure, there's going to the Moon or Mars, and there are hyperloops and driverless cars, or there's even developing a COVID vaccine. These are wonderful developments. But are they really the developments that need to be put front and center at World's Fair at the expense of everything else? Are these the only developments that should matter to 7.8 billion people in 2021?

    The second part from this article seems to voice a want for the World's Fair to limit itself to showcasing technology, engineering and media. To me, it sounds like not much more then a want for being able to indulge in advertising when visiting the Fair. And that comes across as, well, rather tone deaf.

    A World Fair isn't about merely basking in the marvels of technology or innovation. It's about the humans and humanity that are represented, visit and meet at a Fair.

  • by neon_me on 3/16/21, 9:00 PM

    thought CCC is the worlds fair of the 20's ... :)
  • by koolk3ychain on 3/16/21, 8:48 PM

    Yeah no, we should use this money to fund energy research. Trying to woo idiots is a stupid game already won by youtube, online advertising and TikTok.
  • by minikites on 3/16/21, 7:40 PM

    We as a species gave up trying to solve difficult problems and now we're only concerned with inflating asset prices to feel "wealthy". Smart engineers are working for HFT firms instead of NASA. We've equated "wealth" with "progress" and we're now discovering how hollow all these fake numbers are.