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US Navy – Tic Tac UFO – High frequency gravitational wave generator

by ubertoop on 1/17/21, 1:44 AM with 90 comments

• by ksaj on 1/17/21, 2:21 AM

  This relies on the existence of the graviton, which at this point is is not actually known to exist. Some would even argue that there is no reason for it to exist. There are a few competing theories of gravity that don't jive at all with what's discussed in pseudo-factual language in the patent.

  It doesn't help that his only source cited seems to be his own, albeit peer reviewed, paper. I hope that paper at least cites someone other than himself. So all this talk about gravitons being EM and photon carriers is a whole lot of guestimating. It doesn't seem to connect in any way with LIGO's expectations and results.

  It makes sense to patent an idea based on what he's hoping will eventually become a fleshed out scientific theory with proofs and whatnot, it doesn't mean any of it will turn out to be correct. It just means if it does find proof, he could get rich.

• by antognini on 1/17/21, 7:18 AM

  Tangentially related, but when I was an undergrad at Caltech there was a device in a nook of the astrophysics building labeled "Gravitational wave generator" that had the appropriate two-decades-outdated look of equipment you'd find in a random physics lab.

  It was two little weights in the shape of a dumbbell attached to a motor. There was a knob that allowed you to specify the frequency of the gravitational waves you wanted to generate, and when you flipped it on, the weights would start spinning, thereby generating gravitational waves at your specified frequency.

  I always found it amusing that someone went to the trouble to make that.

• by ihunter2839 on 1/17/21, 4:53 AM

  Curious as to what others here think about the idea that the Tic Tac UFO could be some sort of high energy particle beam being controlled from the ground?

  My mom unfortunately passed from cancer, but she was able to get proton beam therapy for a tumor that would have been inaccessible with traditional radiation. This, as I understand it, is because a proton beam sheds the majority of it's energy at the very end of it's flight, allowing internal tissues to be targeted more directly.

  I wonder - what would it look like if you made a proton beam and pointed it to the sky? Could you create a glowing area, much like the Tic Tac, that could be used to throw off enemy radar? I am legitimately curious, as my physics background is so so at best.

• by ubertoop on 1/17/21, 1:44 AM

  Check out these patents currently assigned to US Secretary of Navy and invented by "Salvatore Cezar Pais"

  https://patents.google.com/?inventor=Salvatore+Cezar+Pais

  Then think about the tic tac ufo UFO reports from US Navy fighter pilots [1]

  What's going on here? Disinformation campaign from US Navy? Actual patents? Maybe the downloadbal PDFs are malware vectors for espionage?

  Seems highly unlikely that this tech actually exists AND is publicly available information, right?

  [1] https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ

• by philip142au on 1/17/21, 3:26 AM

  It’s rubbish, whatever propulsion method you have you still need to push the air out of the way to move the thing forwards which takes the same energy using imaginary gravitational waves or a jet engine. No magic is going to make the air get out of the way any faster

• by lwansbrough on 1/17/21, 4:12 AM

  This whole thing has a very boring, very likely answer described in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le7Fqbsrrm8&t=1300s

  Essentially, there are a few different perspective/camera quirks coming together in these videos which can (apparently) trick even well trained pilots.

• by avl999 on 1/17/21, 5:18 AM

  Is this the beginning of a cover story that the intelligence agencies are setting up in reaction to congress passing a provision to be briefed on UFO research within 180 days as part of the covid funding bill?

  Also note that David Fravor encountered the Tic Tac UFO tech in the early 2000s about 13 years before the publishing of this paper.

• by Smooth-Weather on 1/17/21, 7:46 PM

  The Tic-Tac UFO probably use MHD propulsion to move. It allows ionized air displacement in all directions depending on electrodes on the ship. So, no air resistance, no sound barrier. It move itself silently, it can move also under water, the same way it moves in the air, by displacing the water around it. It can sustain itself and accelerate in any direction depending on which electrodes are activated and so, to which direction the air is sucked. It would require a great source of energy to surround the ship surface (for something around 20m long in size) by plasma, should require something around 80000 Gauss and 1000 Megawatts for the electrical discharge.

• by adamredwoods on 1/17/21, 7:58 AM

  > the acoustic energy from the at least two sound generators causing each of the electrically charged cavity surfaces to vibrate such that a second electromagnetic field is generated;

  This patent claims to create electromagnetic waves from sound waves vibrating gas? Seems like an inefficient way to create an electromagnetic field (if even possible)?