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Ask HN: Do you have a daily cash stream?

by wprapido on 8/4/20, 7:50 AM with 49 comments

I'm a web and software developer. Contracting and been running on and off various online businesses, with varying degrees of success. Just like everyone else, I had periods of feast and periods of famine.

A few days ago I was talking with a friend of mine who among other businesses in Ireland and Croatia runs a bar in Zagreb, Croatia. His reasoning behind running a bar is that the bar serves as a daily cash stream. Something definitely we all need and something that helps a great deal.

Anyway, do you have a side hustle like that, and what is it?

  • by rsynnott on 8/4/20, 7:22 PM

    > His reasoning behind running a bar is that the bar serves as a daily cash stream

    Of course the downside is that if things go wrong it acts as a daily cash sink, instead. Most businesses, especially retail/catering businesses, fail. Don't get into that unless you know what you're doing.

    I have a daily cash stream; it's called a job.

  • by dmje on 8/4/20, 8:14 AM

    Web guy here (more PM than developer). The two things I've done to keep the (unavoidable) feast/famine cycle at bay are:

    1) keep two work bank accounts, one for daily use, one savings, and syphon off more than needed from daily > savings when invoices are paid. Example: client pays us £5k. We know we need to put aside corporation tax (we're UK based) of 20% on profit, but instead we put aside 25%. After a while of doing this you end up with a nice chunk of cash in the savings pot for any really famine-y times.

    2) Retainers and ongoing "low effort" rolling work. We've got a bunch of clients on board who pay us for hosting, maintenance, the odd fix - they pay annually so it's a good "known" source of income without varience. I mean, obviously sometimes they churn and decide they don't need us any more, but for the most part it's solid. This second source is also good because we offer it whenever we do new work - so typically a project will pay for the project but then also for the ongoing retainer as well.

    The second thing is important to note for developer type people I think - namely, people pay for things that you (as developer) wouldn't necessarily pay for. I'm surprised at the high percentage of clients who sign up to maintenance agreements (it's north of 95%), purely because they want someone onboard who will hold their hand / look after stuff that they don't understand.

    So I guess I'm saying - do a side hustle, totally - but maybe start by looking closer to home. Existing clients are really, really easy to sell to, easier than a new project and probably easier than working in a bar, too :-)

  • by emit_time on 8/4/20, 6:53 PM

    I have a daily cash stream. I call it a job.

    Also I keep a large emergency fund and save/invest the majority of my earnings.

  • by voisin on 8/4/20, 7:39 PM

    A more reliable side hustle than a bar would be to own some residential real estate and rent it out to respectful people. There’s a lot less work involved than running an operating business, and if the property cash flows (rent exceeds costs), you have a little bit of cash every month. There are also tax advantages via mortgage interest and other expense deductibility, and some “forced savings” as the mortgage pays down. The flip side is that real estate has been absurdly overpriced in most markets for the last decade (thanks Fed!) but the still-unfolding economic consequences of Covid19 may lead to an excellent entry point.
  • by chillacy on 8/4/20, 6:56 PM

    Around 10 years ago I wrote a mac app and put it on the mac app store, no amount of marketing spend seemed to drive sales up significantly to be break-even, but conversely even with no marketing, it makes on average $10 a day (less the apple cut and taxes).

    That doesn't seem like much but if I had 10 niche apps which did the same then I'd have a pretty nice income floor.

  • by Topgamer7 on 8/4/20, 7:12 PM

    I run a game server hosting company that loses me about $300 a month.
  • by graeme on 8/4/20, 7:55 PM

    Daily is not really the frequency at which you should need cash. I have an online business which generates a lot of passive revenue. But I have no idea if it makes cash every day. Pretty sure there are many days with zero sales.

    But it reliably generates revenue. That’s the important bit. Needing daily cash is actually likely a sign of poor personal cashflow management. You ought to aim to have a buffer such that you could survive with zero cash for a while.

    Now, a recurring revenue stream: it’s great! Highly recommended. But daily is not a good requirement.

    And something like a bar has downsides:

    * takes personal labour to make money

    * High operating costs

    * requires presence in a location

    * currently, subject to pandemic restrictions

    Now bars can be a great business! But for a software developer looking to develop a revenue stream, your best bet is....software. Basically zero cost to start. A bar would be a thing to do if you enjoyed it.

  • by notJim on 8/4/20, 7:59 PM

    The way your friend describes it is almost like money laundering or something. I hardly use cash at all, why is a daily cash stream "something we all need and something that helps a great deal"? I find that phrase kind of bizarrely vague.

    Like I think most people, I have a job which pays me every 2 weeks. What this enables me to do is take some small amount of that money each day to cover my expenses. I suppose if you wanted to conceptualize it as a daily cash stream, you could simply divide the lump payment by (roughly) 14, but I'm not sure why you would do that. Some days I spend a lot of money (when making a major purchase, for example), and some days I spend none at all.

  • by tunesmith on 8/4/20, 6:42 PM

    This is also something you can kind of simulate through software, right? I haven't used it myself, but it seems along the lines of what software like YNAB is - setting future targets for budget categories, and then funding them as chunks of money come in, such that for any particular day per time period, you can see if you are ahead of or behind schedule.

    Zooming out, there's a lot of tech theory on buffers and streams that apply. A "JIT" stream is something that doesn't need a buffer if it's perfect and reliable and consistent enough. The YNAB approach is more about using that buffer.

  • by Havoc on 8/4/20, 7:04 PM

    Whether it's daily or monthly ultimately doesn't matter for anyone that has a shred of budgeting ability.

    Looking to build a blog, but not optimistic that it'll generate any real money

  • by madhadron on 8/4/20, 8:02 PM

    > Just like everyone else, I had periods of feast and periods of famine.

    The answer is to have a buffer. Think of it like a queue. You are pulling things off the queue at some rate with some variation, and stuff is arriving at the far end of the queue with hopefully a slightly higher rate but with much higher variation. In order to always have queue you can pull from, you need a buffer in the queue big enough to handle the input variations.

    Which is a way of saying, having however many months of living expenses in the bank (six to twelve months, usually). Spend money you have already earned at or below the rate that you are currently earning it.

    Is having another income stream that makes regular money worth it? It depends. We can assume that it makes less money than your irregular income or otherwise deprives you of some benefit or need, otherwise you would ditch your irregular income and do just that. In that case it's purely about how much reducing the volatility of your income stream is worth.

  • by Kosirich on 8/4/20, 8:11 PM

    Not to steer the conversation, but perhaps what you are interested in, considering the friend story, is if people have wealth (invested or created) that provides them with some steady cash flow on a daily or monthly period while not requiring full time (or near full time) commitment. (in my case is an apartment that I don't get much rent out of, but is a very safe way to keep wealth)
  • by boldlybold on 8/4/20, 7:26 PM

    If you enjoy investing and can spend some time learning about trading options, it can provide a nice income stream in a taxable account. Somewhere around 0.5-1.0% income a month is possible and reasonable without taking on extreme risk.

    Income from options on indices or futures is subject to 60/40 long/short term capital gains tax and really helps keep the tax costs down.

  • by quickthrower2 on 8/4/20, 7:47 PM

    If it were me I’d focus on how to charge more money and how to get it sooner. Negotiation, marketing, contracts etc.

    And as others have mentioned: budgeting.

    You shouldn’t need a side hustle to buy your milk and pasta. A side hustle is more like a bet or lottery ticket.

    Good luck!

  • by nawgz on 8/4/20, 7:47 PM

    What is the purpose of a "daily cash stream" to you?

    To me, it just sounds like a savings account. I have money in the bank because I have good financial management.

    Why would I need to augment that with a risky side hustle?

  • by quangv on 8/4/20, 6:49 PM

    I recommend “The Money Book for freelancers”