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New iPhone SE

by CoachRufus87 on 4/15/20, 3:03 PM with 1459 comments

by andrepd on 4/15/20, 3:51 PM
I was itching for this announcement, not because I want to buy an iPhone, but because this will finally mean other manufacturers will start to make compact phones.
It drives me up the wall that I simply cannot find a reasonably competent phone (i.e. mid/upper range from the past 4 years) which is not absolutely fucking huge. It's insane that the "phablet" standard from ~5 years ago is now not even the new standard, but the only standard.
by ksec on 4/16/20, 2:18 AM
1163 Comment right now, ~800 Are about Size of Devices. I thought there was another important point.
The current entry level iPhone; iPhone SE 2020 with A13 is now faster in Single Threaded performance than ALL current shipping Android, including Flagship Android. And judging by the Qualcomm roadmap, this will likely remain the same in 2021 as well.
This is important if you are doing or using Web Apps like Discourse which requires JS processing. The Cost of javascript is still huge. [1] [2]. And While Mobile Apps are well optimised to take advantage of multiple cores, it will still be bounded by Amdahl's law[3].
And a point on devices size.
Japan, the nation which prefer single handed usage and small size Smartphone, and has a hand size smaller than average, median or general US / EU population, has overwhelmingly voted with their pocket on the 4.7" Devices, and not the previous 4" iPhone SE. Even During the iPhone 7, iPhone 8 era.
So I do suggest before people writing off 4.7" as being large, please try and give it a go first.
Another Point worth pointing out, once the tech for FaceID Shrinks to small enough or could be done under display, a 4.7" Edge to Edge Face ID Design would be exactly the same size as the previous iPhone SE. I believe this could be the long term goal for Apple.
[1] https://medium.com/@addyosmani/the-cost-of-javascript-in-201...
[2] https://v8.dev/blog/cost-of-javascript-2019
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amdahl%27s_law
by coldpie on 4/15/20, 3:39 PM
Yes. I'm an Android user who is absolutely sick of phablets. I have a Pixel 3A (5.6") and it is way, way too big. I've been quite excited about this iPhone SE announcement. However, the lack of a headphone jack is a huge negative, and 4.7" is the absolute largest I think is reasonable. A little smaller would've been ideal. I'm undecided on whether to switch to the SE, but I genuinely hope it sells like crazy. Then maybe the Android copycat manufacturers like Google will copy the small form factor, but add in a headphone jack. One can dream...
by threepio on 4/15/20, 3:15 PM
"Popular design"? On the contrary. As an iPhone SE owner, this is exactly the form factor that fans of the iPhone 4/5 series (like me) rejected as being too large.
by ivraatiems on 4/15/20, 3:20 PM
As a current iPhone SE user, here's my assessment:
Pros:
* Feature set in terms of processor, camera, etc., is exactly what I want
* Continued presence of Touch ID is a huge plus, I don't like Face ID
* Price point is, admittedly, fantastic
Cons:
* Lack of headphone jack is still unacceptable
* Form factor is, candidly, still too big for my tiny hands
* Color schemes aren't as nice as the SE's (can I contribute to COVID-19 research without getting a bright red phone?)
I will be considering this phone, but skeptically. Would be ideal for me to be able to physically hold one before buying, but not sure that'll be possible (maybe I can borrow somebody's iPhone 8).
by bluedevil2k on 4/15/20, 3:07 PM
An upgraded iPhone 8 with a starting storage of 64 Gb at only $399. Seems like a great deal. Makes me seriously consider this model for my next phone instead of spending $1200 on an iPhone 11 Max.
by youeseh on 4/15/20, 3:14 PM
If the new one would have kept the design of the old one but added a full screen and updated cameras - that would have been perfect.
I get the feeling that I'm part of a large niche with whom the old iPhoneSE saw success by accident.
by rgovostes on 4/15/20, 5:22 PM
Like many here I prefer the (original) iPhone SE due to the small size. Rumors of the iPhone 12 say that there will be a smaller model with a 5.4" edge-to-edge screen. I wanted to see how the size of that device would compare to the SE.
If we assume that the iPhone 12 would have the same aspect ratio as the iPhone 11, and that the "margins" between the edge of the device and the edge of the screen will be the same as well, we get:
```
   iPhone 12 (5.4") is 2.69x5.30"
   Body size is 26.67% larger than the iPhone SE
   Screen size is 62.27% larger than the iPhone SE
```
That is only 1.3% smaller than the iPhone SE 2 released today. This device size is here to stay.
by Nition on 4/15/20, 8:03 PM
> The first iPhone SE was a hit with many customers who loved its unique combination of small size, high-end performance and affordable price; the new second-generation iPhone SE builds on that great idea and improves on it in every way.
Customers loved how it was both small and powerful, so we've improved it by making it much larger...[1]
OK, I realise they mean "small compared to the ridiculous size of other phones" here, but I still feel like they've missed the point. They could have had the only truly small and powerful phone on the market in 2020, on any OS! No competitors. They could have even kept the exact same old SE size and had an even bigger screen (5") if they went edge-to-edge.
[1] https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE&devic...
by aphextron on 4/15/20, 3:08 PM
RIP to Apple's single greatest design, the iPhone 5 form factor.
by sn_master on 4/15/20, 3:30 PM
I use Pixel 4, and I absolutely hate not having a fingerprint sensor.
Cons:
* At night it doesn't work, because I am laying on the bed and half my face is covered.
* It doesn't work when I am not wearing my glasses. Annoying when I have just woken up or going to bed and want to check a quick notification.
* Sometimes it unlocks by itself even if I don't want it to.
For the headphone jack, I got a cheap USB-C ones and couldn't be happier. Bluetooth just doesn't work all the time. It sometimes refuses to pair for random reasons, specially if you paired it with something else, you can never be sure its charged enough, easy to forget it turned on and have the batteries depleted etc etc.
by werber on 4/15/20, 4:14 PM
I haven't felt like Apple has been making products for me recently until the Macbook Air release and now this. Sane price points, and the exact features I need. Not sure what changed over there, but I'm really impressed.
by dougmwne on 4/15/20, 3:47 PM
I have to wonder if it's a marketing mistake to call this phone an SE. Most of the people I know who were sticking with the SE did so because they loved the small size and form factor. It seems that offering an upgraded iPhone 8 to those people is going to fall flat.
That said, this looks like a fantastic bargain. One of the best cameras and fastest chips on the market on a $400 phone with years and years of OS support.
And in my own opinion, a 4" screen is obsolete these days because app and mobile web design has moved on to larger devices. 5" is even starting to feel cramped on some apps like Google Maps.
by donohoe on 4/15/20, 3:08 PM
Why couldn't they have kept the flat sides of the 'current' SE... ? That form factor is still the best.
by bryanlarsen on 4/15/20, 3:17 PM
This is not a small phone. It's almost the same size as the Google Pixel 4 which has a 5.7" display.
SE: 5.45" x 2.65" Pixel: 5.79" x 2.71"
by tazjin on 4/15/20, 3:21 PM
The old iPhone SE had two things that appealed to me (and anecdotally, that appealed to some of my friends):
1. it was small-ish 2. it had a headphone jack
Without those I don't see this as a viable followup product.
by m_eiman on 4/15/20, 3:15 PM
Old iPhone SE:
123.8 mm (4.87 in) H
58.6 mm (2.31 in) W
7.6 mm (0.30 in) D
Mass 113 g (4.0 oz)
New iPhone SE:
Height: 5.45 inches (138.4 mm)
Width: 2.65 inches (67.3 mm)
Depth: 0.29 inch (7.3 mm)
Weight: 5.22 ounces (148 grams)
(Copy-pasted from various places on iPad, sorry about inconsistencies)
by egypturnash on 4/15/20, 5:01 PM
eyes the specs
eyes her 6s and the very nice earbuds that can still plug into it
ponders other things she could do with $400
I miss the Actually Small form factor but I've gotten used to the slightly larger 6s and I sure don't miss it four hundred bucks plus the cost of some bluetooth earbuds and having to hassle with keeping the bluetooth Square reader powered up the next time I sell stuff at a comics con.
I think this is a fine day to buy a new case to replace the one that I got along with the phone. It's been slowly falling apart and I'm worried it might not save the phone the next time I drop it. Twenty bucks for a black Speck and ten bucks for a gold accent Popsocket. Sounds good.
by sequoia on 4/15/20, 6:46 PM
According to this: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE2ndgen...
This looks like basically the same phone as the 8 & the 6s. I own a 6s, I'm wondering what the advantage is to buying this phone rather than replacing the battery on my current phone.
Hilariously, some of the changes between models seem to be mostly renaming features.
```
    6s: HDR for photos
     8: Auto HDR for photos
    SE: Next-generation Smart HDR for photos
```
Looks like this one "goes to 11"
Also funny is battery life:
```
    SE: Lasts about the same as iPhone 8
     8: Lasts about the same as iPhone 7
     7: Lasts up to 2 hours longer than iPhone 6s
    6s: —
```
So the new SE lasts about the same as two hours longer than "—" Got it!
by mavidser on 4/15/20, 6:15 PM
I am apparently in the minority here who prefers faceID, mostly because how transparent it is UX-wise. I don't have to do an additional 'Authenticate' press when opening protected apps, instead I pass through the security while the app loading animation completes.
Though, it has been hell now with using face masks for the past few weeks, where I have to spend 5 seconds on every auth-screen, where it tries faceID twice and then gives the option of PIN authentication.
by kayoone on 4/15/20, 8:00 PM
I don't really get the hate for the lack of a headphone jack tbh. Have people complaining about this ever really given good bluetooth headphones a chance? My Beats Solo 3 have fantastic battery life, i can switch between devices with a click of a button (in the case of the Bose QC35 even be connected to two devices at the same time, listening to music on the laptop while being able to receive phone calls on the phone) and the sound quality is absolutely fine. Sure, an audiophile DAC with high end headphones will have better sound quality, but do you really need that on a phone?
by Tade0 on 4/15/20, 4:04 PM
One of the biggest advantages of the first gen SE (aside from size) was its sub 120g weight - my SO has one and even with the protective case it's very easy on the hands - especially when lying down and holding it in the air.
The current gen weights almost as much as my Galaxy S8, which is objectively a rather heavy object to be held for extended periods of time.
All in all I was meaning to get her one once it's released, but given the weight of the device that won't happen.
by graeme on 4/15/20, 4:44 PM
Quick comment about sizes and popularity. This is the size of the iPhone 6/6S/7/8 form factor. There are a LOT of iPhone models of this type.
They're bigger than the old SE, but effectively a fair bit smaller than the X/XS/11 Pro format, which has a much larger screen to manage.
So, this phone gives those of us who liked the 8 body size an upgrade path.
David Smith compiled iPhone usage stats for his app. The iPhone 6/6S/7/8 had 47% share. The iPhone 5s/old SE had 11% share. The X/XS/11 Pro size had 12% share. So, this new SE is an extremely common and and popular design.
https://david-smith.org/blog/2019/06/24/the-popularity-of-th...
by cdubzzz on 4/15/20, 3:27 PM
Quick size comparison of the two generations -- https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE&devic...
by rawrmaan on 4/15/20, 3:27 PM
As a son, I am sad that my mom will not get to have her preferred screen size (4") in her next phone.
As a developer, I'm ecstatic that I'll never have to think about supporting a tiny 4" screen again.
by xenonite on 4/15/20, 5:36 PM
How come that the "white" variant is not "white" on the front side? Like it has always been the case until iPhone 8?
This is a huge disappointment for me. The big reason to have white screen borders is to reduce contrast to light screen backgrounds, which is so much easier on the eyes when reading. And also, white front side is a design classic. Its removal is even a reason for me not to buy the new SE2.
by AdmiralAsshat on 4/15/20, 3:11 PM
Now why can't we convince Android OEMs that decent specs in a small design is a worthwhile endeavor? The Sony Xperia XZ1 Compact is the last one that comes to mind.
by eps on 4/15/20, 3:17 PM
I am a die-hard SE owner, so I guess this is something, but...
Camera is sticking out.
Edges are over-bevelled.
But at least they kept Touch ID.
by forgingahead on 4/15/20, 3:59 PM
Original SE user here (and I have a spare sitting unwrapped on my bookshelf as a backup):
I'm disappointed by the lack of a headphone jack and the size, while better than the phablet nonsense, is still bigger than I would like.
I'm actually not sure what I will do after these phones go kaput, I only use my phone for calls, music, Whatsapp, and maybe maps (though with travel completely halted for the medium term, I don't even need that). If there was a feature phone version of Whatsapp, I'd probably go back to one of those.
by jakear on 4/15/20, 3:39 PM
Glad to see a non faceID option. I'm on an 11 Pro currently, will probably sidegrade to this.
FaceID is incredibly unreliable in my opinion, and it almost always takes more time that touchID did. Furthermore, "Reachability" (the feature where you slide the UI down for easy access with one hand) is much more difficult to access and dismiss with no home button. It's rare I don't accidentally invoke some UI action when trying to dismiss reachability mode (mistakes include: dialing additional numbers, super-linking on tinder, clicking on links in websites, etc.)
Apple seems to know this, the store workers I spoke with when I was purchasing the phone admitted it was difficult to use.
Is it rose colored glasses, or would old Apple never release products that the Apple Store workers have to tell you are "difficult to use"?
by bythckr on 4/15/20, 4:53 PM
As an iPhone 5, 5s & SE user; pass, its too big.
Apple still doesn't understand why users like me still stick with iphone SE - the size.
by Traster on 4/15/20, 3:15 PM
80% of the way to a iPhone 11 Pro for 40% of the price.
by Eliezer on 4/15/20, 4:04 PM
I care about absolutely none of this except weight, which they're not announcing. What a mockery of a successor to the SE name. I guess I'll hold on to my current SE until that's absolutely untenable and then abandon the iOS platform - really hope there's some more secure Android option by then.
by ruffrey on 4/15/20, 3:16 PM
I've been repairing an old iPhone SE for quite a while now, holding out for Apple to listen to customers like me saying "I want a decent phone that fits in my pocket." This makes me so happy, just like when I held onto a 2015 macbook pro until they went back to a "regular" keyboard.
by srg0 on 4/16/20, 7:23 AM
A $300 (EUR500) phone in 2020, and its screen resolution is 750 x 1334 (according to GSMArena, because Apple doesn't mention it). Sadly, that's not enough to watch FullHD videos. An attractive form-factor aside, weird resolution of the lower-tier iPhones (XR, 11, SE 2020) is a non-starter for me.
by dceddia on 4/15/20, 3:34 PM
I guess the size escalation is just like with cars. It seems "nobody" wants smaller phones or cars, so every time there's a new model they get bigger.
As a person who does actually prefer smaller phones and cars, it's a disappointing trend. "Buy used" or "deal with it", I suppose.
by fjni on 4/15/20, 9:08 PM
The 5/5s/SE form factor is beautiful. Why mess with it? Give me upgraded internals on that and I’ll buy it immediately. It feels a bit like they have to justify to themselves that they’re doing work by proverbially and literally smoothing out the edges until all phones just look alike.
by betaby on 4/15/20, 3:40 PM
Too large. Does anybody know a modern Android phone with the size of the IPhone 5?
by Apocryphon on 4/15/20, 3:37 PM
As an iPhone SE user, I am sympathetic to those who miss its screen size. However, as someone who also remembers how desperate the market was for an iPhone with larger real estate around the 5/5S/5C era, and how evolutionary the iPhone 6 was when it came out, I am fine with it being a compromise size.
I also understand that last year’s X-cessively large phones have conditioned users to be resigned towards huge pricy devices, thus making this new SE more dramatic-seeming.
by boourns311 on 4/15/20, 10:13 PM
If you're an Android user looking for a small phone, I feel your pain.
I've had one of these for about 6 months and I absolutely love it.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07KP8J8YN
Disclaimer: I have NO affiliation with this company at all. I'm just a happy user.
Pros:
- built-in rugged case. I've thrown it around the office with no issues
- incredibly small. It fits in the watch pocket (fifth pocket) of your jeans comfortably
- waterproof. Because it fits in my jeans pockets so well, I accidentally washed it with my jeans after a spill. The only piece of clothing in that wash cycle was my jeans, and the phone fell out at some point. It must have banged around in there for 15 minutes; but after the wash was done, I grabbed the phone and unlocked it with my fingerprint. No worries.
- some of the best BT and GPS I've experienced in an Android phone. (And I've owned Nokia, Motorola, and Sony Xperia phones).
- reasonable battery life for a phone of this size
- everyone tells me speakerphone sounds great
Cons:
- the camera is literally a potato. Don't buy this to take photos with.
- good luck typing on this incredibly tiny screen. But instead I use Android's voice-to-text which works great.
I took a chance and it is an absolute marvel.
by tentboy on 4/15/20, 3:14 PM
I'm on a three year old iPhone SE that I recently had the battery replaced in (An incredible use of $50 if anyone is fining their phone dying all the time)
I am really tempted to get this. I love the small form factor of my SE but I have large hands and the bigger screen might be a bit nice, and I really wish the camera was bit nicer on my current SE
by alkonaut on 4/16/20, 10:08 AM
I really wanted a phone with a current top level camera, and a reasonably quick cpu as in a modern iPhone or Android. I consider the iphone7/8 to be almost too big for one handed use, but it's it's worth it as a tradeoff for the improved readability. The problems with the iphone7/8 size is mostly poor legacy UX (Nothing should have to be clicked in basic, navigation above the middle of the screen!).
I basically had to upgrade from iPhone7 to iPhone11 to get a good camera in an iPhone. The 11 is a phone that is both much larger and much more expensive than I would like. So if the camera on this is as good as the main iPhone 11 camera, I would definnitely have gone for this one instead, had it been available 6 months ago.
This is apple cannibalizing their own iPhone11 sales, a lot I think
by osel on 4/15/20, 8:30 PM
This is just an iPhone 8 mk II (it even fits 8 cases!), and that means those of us who want an actual SE replacement are now out of luck. Rather disappointing.
by buzzy_hacker on 4/15/20, 3:27 PM
Devastated they increased the size, but saw it coming. It’s the same as an iPhone 8, which is too big.
by newsrss on 4/15/20, 4:11 PM
They rereleased the iPhone 6. What's there to be excited about?
This has nothing on the original SE.
by demarq on 4/15/20, 3:13 PM
This is pretty much a flagship at below mid range price. It's like One Plus and Apple just switched sides on this one.
by green-bottle on 4/15/20, 6:54 PM
Due to the planned obsolescence (via stoppage of security updates) of Android phones within 2 years I had been seriously been considering buying an iPhone SE2.
But I can't really justify myself buying it at the hefty price tag of $555 in India. (The extra $155 being added due to the high custom duties on imports in India.)
Salaries (at least for software developers) here being 1/4th of that of US developer salaries or lesser makes even the $400 price in US not quite easy to digest.
It seems I will be stuck with buying an Android One phone instead.
by kohtatsu on 4/16/20, 10:51 AM
For anyone on the fence about trusting Apple's sell on privacy, I urge you to check out these pages;
https://apple.com/privacy this isn't the Privacy Policy, just a very high level overview of investments/innovations (ETA 20-60 seconds)
https://apple.com/privacy/features deeper dive, no cute graphics, links to papers (3+ minutes)
They really, really messed up by not being upfront with Siri's contractors, and they are not taking a hard stance on E2E iCloud Photos/Backups.
You can back up yourself using the native encrypted backup format using the CLI on Linux/Windows/macOS using https://libimobiledevive.org idevicebackup2
Using ifuse from them too you can read the SQLite database the Photos app uses, see things like the on-device processed metadata (including recognized faces, tho obviously not the face data from FaceID).
Using this I made a script to only transfer only favourited photos for my girlfriend; https://gist.github.com/aurorabbit/592bbc76df317f86c1a6ef64c... (will work on linux too, surely Windows but idk powershell)
/info dump
by nicwolff on 4/15/20, 5:01 PM
Just a reminder that the terrific old 4" iPhone SE is still available refurbished on Amazon for about $100. Runs the current OS and all apps. Camera sucks by modern standards.
by rchaud on 4/15/20, 4:56 PM
The most interesting aspect of the phone for me is that it looks to have the 16:9 ratio that's been abandoned industry-wide for 19:9, which I find to be extremely narrow.
I'm still holding on to my 4-year old Galaxy S7 because it's 5-inch, 16:9 display is just the right size. I have a newer 19:9 phone and even with fairly large man-hands, I struggle to reach the corners of the screen with my thumb, which is where most menu items are located.
by petilon on 4/15/20, 3:41 PM
You can get iPhone 6s for $100 from cellular carriers such as AT&T: https://www.att.com/buy/prepaid-phones/browse/apple/
I am sure the new iPhone SE has more advanced everything but if you're just using it for text messages, occasional photo and Whatsapp you'll hardly notice any difference.
by jclardy on 4/15/20, 6:02 PM
A lot of people are looking at this as a "replacement" for the iPhone SE (original) - but I don't think that is what this is. It is the "upgrade" that iPhone 6/6s/7 users have been waiting for. People that don't want the relatively huge iPhone XR/11 (3/4" taller and 1/2" wider) and don't want to spend $1k on the more reasonably sized iPhone 11 Pro.
by kdtsh on 4/16/20, 3:20 AM
People will get it or they won’t, the HN crowd is probably a fairly small demographic compared to who Apple is trying to gear this towards: people who want an affordable, new iPhone.
For my part (SE user of 2 years, and before that a 5s user), this fits my needs pretty well, and it’s got the latest hardware. The lack of a headphone jack was always going to happen, that’s just the way of the world and nothing will change it - and realistically, carrying around a dongle really isn’t a big deal if you’re going to be carrying around your phone and earphones anyway, it’s just another small piece to keep attached to your earphones on a semi-permanent basis. The 5s form factor would have been cool too, but that was also never going to happen, because the SE is released in no small part because there is a surplus of X device (previously 5s, now 8) and they need to move old stock.
I’ll hang onto my SE until iOS 14 comes out, then I’ll get a refurbished SE 2. I might be able to get away with getting an almost-new iPhone released this year for around AU$600, that would be cool.
by jventura on 4/15/20, 3:26 PM
No headphone jack and form factor > 4" it's a no-go for me..
I'm still on the 5S, my next one will be a SE 1 when my 5S blows up..
by mleonhard on 4/16/20, 3:24 AM
Apple's side-by-side comparison shows that their new phone is essentially an iPhone 8 with a newer CPU.
https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphone8&device...
by julian_digital on 4/15/20, 3:17 PM
Fingerprint Sensor = works with covid masks!
by l31g on 4/15/20, 6:03 PM
Better camera than the iPhone 8, supposedly same as the XR [0]
[0] https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/15/21222104/iphone-se-2-came...
by vansteen on 4/15/20, 7:57 PM
That's not really the SE I have in mind. My old SE has a 4" screen and the weight is around 100g ...
by jimbob45 on 4/15/20, 3:13 PM
No headphone jack?
by Niccizero on 4/16/20, 11:02 AM
Being a long-time Android user (not a fan, though) This is the first iPhone I'd actually buy. I'm tired of huge phones with no bezels, they're not usable. They are a pain in the ass, they are a literally a pain in your hand to use. I halso ahte the notch with passsion.
by cletus on 4/15/20, 3:45 PM
So at my previous employer I kept separate work and personal phones. At my current employer I decided I wasn't going to do that. Who wants to carry two phones? Or pay for a personal service you barely use?
I'm fortunate enough that my work phone is (now) an iPhone 11 Pro. I routinely go to Australia for extended periods and need a phone there. For years (>5) I used the last personal phone I bought myself, the iPhone 6S, which was still doing quite well since ~2 years ago it had a free battery replacement.
But I finally decided to upgrade this. I like the 11 Pro (particularly the cameras) but I find the narrower screen a little annoying (compared to the previous work phone, the iPhone 7 Plus).
But damn phones are expensive now. I couldn't justify the almost $2000 for an iPhone 11 Pro Max and decided to spend "only" half that on an iPhone 11 instead. It lacks one of the cameras but it has a bigger screen than the 11. I really see no reason to spend the huge extra on the 11 Pro or Pro Max.
But by God do I hate Face ID (even more so on my iPad). It's horrible. Apple says the false positive rate on Touch ID was too high. I say the false negative rate on Face ID is too high and this is incredibly frustrating. Worse, Apple tries to make it more secure by forcing policies on you like 5 failed attempts means it asks for a passcode. Failed attempts include passive fails where you just haven't positioned the phone right.
I think Apple just got rid of Touch ID to have more screen area, honestly. That's not such a bad thing but what I'd give for an iPhone that had a fingerprint sensor on the back (like the Samsung Galaxy S9 did, which I also briefly used).
So the presence of Touch ID makes me almost want to buy one of these but I can't go back screen size wise. As an aside, I am tempted to get rid of my iPad Pro and replace it with the newer (non-Pro) iPad because those still do have Touch ID.
This really is an updated iPhone 8 with a modern CPU. It seems like a pretty good deal to me.
But please, Apple, give me a Touch ID option.
by woah on 4/15/20, 4:35 PM
Does anyone know if it includes ARKit? https://developer.apple.com/documentation/arkit/tracking_and...
by Lio on 4/15/20, 4:16 PM
Not really a big fan of the Lightning connector.
IMHO it’s a poor design.
The socket on this iPhone 6S+ is wearing out because the springs are in the device and not the cable. It’s hit and miss if the phone charges now.
(I keep it still because I want an iPhone with a 3.5mm headphone socket).
by jp0d on 4/16/20, 12:03 AM
I'm still using an iPhone 8. It's been great and I wasn't looking for a replacement yet. However, it's nice to know that I can get one in the same size. I don't want a big phone. I was reading through some of the threads and found some arguments about Android. I'm a poweruser myself. I was on Android for a long time. I've used both mid range and high end Androids. All of them have died after 2 years max after slowing down terribly. Finally switched to the iPhone 8, two years ago and couldn't have been happier. I still have an old iPhone 5s that works like a charm.
by gnicholas on 4/15/20, 5:28 PM
Bummer that this has the slippery rounded edges that started with the 6. My guess is that they're doing this because the iPhone 12 is rumored to return to more rectangular edges, and they want it to be visually distinct.
by chaorace on 4/15/20, 3:15 PM
$399 iPhone? Weird! I always thought Apple stayed out of that pricerange to keep the iPhone line a "prestige" purchase (especially given how little time the "c" lasted for). I suppose that's why this model has such an iPod-esque visual design, so that outside observers don't misconstrue the people using these with their "luxury" users.
It's good to see more downward pressure coming from flagship phones lately, imo. It's a great analog to the Pixel "a" models and an overall smartphone trend that I'm very positive about!
by qnxub on 4/15/20, 5:07 PM
As current user of a Moto E5 Play, this is the first iPhone that I've been tempted to purchase. It delivers a lot of value at a reasonable price. As penny-pinching consumer, I've started thinking about device longevity. This phone will certainly be supported longer than any Android. However, my current phone still works, even if the camera is bad and it can be quite slow at times. I can't justify purchasing a new device, especially one that was probably constructed with unethical labor.
by grwthckrmstr on 4/15/20, 4:27 PM
Is it weird that we're in 2020 and I still keep assuming that phones have a headphone jack by default... Until I check the spec sheet and realise there's no headphone jack :(
by bitL on 4/15/20, 3:11 PM
Hooray, no notch! The only recent iPhone that is not ugly right now.
by jyriand on 4/16/20, 3:03 PM
I own iPhone SE and let's be honest, this phone is designed for people living in warm climate, not someone living in nordic countries. If it's around zero degrees celius or less, then you better not take your phone out of your pocket. The battery will uncharge and phone will shut off(sometimes in matter of minutes). I thought there was something wrong with my iPhone, but it turns out the battery can't stand the cold.
-- edit Otherwise I love iPhone SE. It's almost perfect.
by biztos on 4/15/20, 9:29 PM
I use an iPhone SE and an iPhone 8 -- I got the 8 only because the SE's microphone crapped out. I was thinking of buying an 11 Pro, but now I think I'll buy the 2020 SE instead because it's smaller and has the A13.
(I was hoping against hope they'd use the old SE form factor, but I can understand why they don't.)
I wonder how much the new SE will cannibalize sales of the 11's, for customers who aren't price-sensitive but are size-sensitive?
by umanwizard on 4/15/20, 3:22 PM
Is it known how much RAM this has?
by jotm on 4/15/20, 4:58 PM
I actually like the "borders" on top and bottom, makes it easier to hold and use the phone.
That said, Apple is really taking the piss with these displays. Just like the iPhone 11, not only is the resolution laughable (Apple used to be a leader here, what happened?) but it's also IPS LCD, which uses more power and has worse viewing angles and colors.
OLEDs are excellent and competitors at this price point have them, so why not Apple?
by epaulson on 4/15/20, 11:46 PM
Is there any word on the screen material? I have a Pixel 3a that for the most part I really like, but one of the ways I think they got the price down was by using a glass that was much less scratch-resistant. My original Pixel never scratched, the 3a is scuff up badly after just 6 months. My iPhone 7 is a couple of years old and also has no scratches, so I'm hoping for a similarly scratch-resistant screen.
by tambourine_man on 4/15/20, 9:57 PM
4" size is truly dead then. What a shame.
I think we'll look at these comically large phones in the future like we look Gordon Gekko's phone today.
by lifeisstillgood on 4/15/20, 5:31 PM
Honestly as a parent of three children barrelling towards teen-dom cheaper iphones available and supported for the next few years sounds great.
by starpilot on 4/15/20, 7:15 PM
Wow, currently a single thread:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22878765
occupies the entire first page of these comments, with 367 replies. Is this optimal?
Edit: looks like this has fixed/modified, some of the replies have been broken out into top-level threads. Might be time for auto-collapsing of replies like Reddit.
by trboyden on 4/15/20, 5:10 PM
I got my iPhone SE (iPhone 7) on Amazon for $150 a couple months ago... It sadly replaced my (real) iPhone SE that took a dip in a pool.
by novok on 4/15/20, 6:13 PM
They could of done so much more than slap an A13 into an iPhone 8. I guess it was about that the last time although, throwing a newer processor into an iPhone 5.
At the very least they could of done touch ID on the back and make it a hole punch display with a smaller form factor, but that would probably have battery issues from the smaller footprint.
by technotarek on 4/15/20, 5:50 PM
I didn’t buy the SE because it was cheaper. I bought it because it had the best balance between performance and form factor.
by adreamingsoul on 4/16/20, 5:28 AM
I love the size of my iPhone SE. Every time my partner uses my phone, they always mention how nice and compact the size is.
by fossuser on 4/15/20, 6:04 PM
I love the iPhone 5 design - I wish they could have put a full screen Face ID display into that frame.
Maybe it wasn't possible with the space constraints, or maybe it would have been too expensive - but a premium small phone like that would have been really cool.
The iPhone 8 is probably my least favorite of all iPhone designs except for the 3G.
by colinprince on 4/15/20, 5:55 PM
I see this supports Quicktake video[0] when in Photo mode. Kinda useful, but how do you take bursts now?
0. https://support.apple.com/en-ca/guide/iphone/iph61f49e4bb/io...
by DeathArrow on 4/15/20, 5:03 PM
I newer owned an iPhone and I'm not interested in iOS much, but $400 for a phone with Apple A13 CPU is very tempting.
I don't understand why other ARM CPU makers don't come up with comparable CPUs.
Paying 1000 euros on a phone and having a twice as weak CPU as an similar priced iPhone is not a nice sentiment for an Android user.
by throw_m239339 on 4/15/20, 3:36 PM
What is that app displayed here?
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/product/iphone/standar...
by ibdf on 4/15/20, 4:05 PM
I have the latest iphone, but only because I switched carriers and got a good deal. FaceID is fine, but touch ID was way way better... but why don't they put it on the back of the phone like Android phones do? It's so much easier to use it and then you don't have those huge bezels.
by doanerock on 4/15/20, 3:58 PM
Why does it have the same name as a previously released phone? That is so confusing. Why not iPhone SE2
by DylanBohlender on 4/15/20, 4:20 PM
Is there any confirmation that this phone will/won't support 5G? It seems to be omitted in the marketing materials.
While multiple years of OS support would be nice in this form factor, not being able to use 5G data would be a big negative in terms of this being "futureproofed".
by LoSboccacc on 4/15/20, 4:54 PM
I really want to jump back into iPhones and prepared to sustain another painful migration back into ios, but not with no guarantees I'll have a product refresh in the coming years; I've been forced out of the ecosystem once and I'm not going to get burned twice.
by gigatexal on 4/16/20, 7:30 PM
That’s a whole lot of hardware for 399. Android handset makers are likely going to be upset with Apple moving downmarket with a chip that will run circles around what they have to offer.
Honestly I should have gotten one of these instead of my 11 pro. My 11 pro is just too much phone.
by fataliss on 4/15/20, 7:06 PM
Looks clean. Wonder if that means the array of sensors needed for AR/Face id is still that expensive to make that they can't add it to their $400 phone. You'd think that by now after having multiple gens of flagship phones using it cost would be low...
by villgax on 4/15/20, 4:50 PM
What's with the design, should have gone flat edges & slimmer bezels & in display fingerprint. From experience of 5 year old 5S, TouchID just doesn't work with little sweat or dust. In display readers on other phones just work so amazingly
by erickhill on 4/15/20, 3:46 PM
I realized recently that Face ID is useless when I'm out and about because of face masks.
by ct520 on 4/16/20, 8:13 AM
I feel in good company. Here I thought I was the only one who longed-for the smaller iphone.
by markphip on 4/16/20, 1:25 PM
I am still holding out hope for a 4.7" phone that is all screen and supports Face ID. Maybe the next iPhone SE in 4 more years will be that phone.
I imagine they could not produce that phone at this price point .. which is quite good for what you are getting.
by ComputerGuru on 4/15/20, 3:20 PM
Tangential: the scroll performance on hardware-accelerated Chrome for the landing page is absolutely atrocious on a Xeon v6 running past full frequency (3.6GHz, so not in energy-saving mode). I would have expected better of Apple. \shrug\
by BigBalli on 4/15/20, 9:59 PM
Another current SE user here. I've been waiting for this since rumors started 6+ months ago.
I was hoping they were going to keep the same screen size but think I'll upgrade anyways. Figure I will need to eventually and this has a solid tech bump-up.
by testerhn on 4/15/20, 3:37 PM
https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphone8&device...
by commenterhn on 4/16/20, 2:13 AM
https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE2ndgen...
by ryanmjacobs on 4/15/20, 6:05 PM
Awesome! I love my SE. A smartphone that doesn't try to be a full-fledged tablet computer (size-wise and spec-wise). $400 is what I paid for my original SE, so this isn't bad. Gonna miss the 3.5mm plug in though.
by tartrate on 4/15/20, 3:39 PM
"Best Single-Camera System in an iPhone"
Is there another iPhone with a single-camera system? Otherwise it just sounds like they had 0 other good things to say about it.
Soon we're down to "the newest iPhone ever released so far".
by basejumping on 4/15/20, 3:23 PM
Is the frame made of aluminium or glass? I can't find it mentioned anywhere.
by shoes_for_thee on 4/15/20, 8:42 PM
Why tho?
I have an old iPhone SE. It is small enough that I don't even notice it in my pocket. It does everything I want it to do very well and is actually very responsive.
Also it is about $60 bucks on ebay. I have no compelling reason to switch.
by dzonga on 4/15/20, 4:23 PM
I have the 1st gen SE and a pixel 3a. pixel 3a screen currently shuttered. But will gladly switch back to 2nd gen SE if they let me run Firefox on that thing. I will compromise on a headphone jack n get an mp3 player
by imharvey on 4/15/20, 6:00 PM
Lets use all the spare parts of iPhone 8 and call it iPhone SE gen 2. I get the concept but it would have been nice with a iPhone XR design but in the size of the original iPhone SE. $399 is still reasonable.
by samename on 4/15/20, 3:18 PM
The Dual SIM with eSIM is a nice touch - is this the first iPhone to get it?
by thereyougo on 4/15/20, 3:29 PM
As much as I love apple products (I'm using mac and iPhone for years) I do think that the spark in their innovation is slowly fading. I can't remember the last time they 'Wow'ed me.
by RileyJames on 4/16/20, 1:49 AM
Have been considering a replacement for my 6S, this looks like the ticket.
Is there an adaptor / dongle that can enable charging while using a headset?
I’ve seen the lighting to audio dongles. Is there a lightning to lighting+audio?
by Aissen on 4/15/20, 8:39 PM
Yesterday in their keynote, Oneplus dared to call the new Oneplus 8 "compact" with its 6.55" screen. Although to be fair it has a much better screen-to-body ratio than the SE.
by sangd on 4/15/20, 3:56 PM
The reasons I bought my SE were:
1. being small 2. powerful as the iPhone 6s.
I'm quite disappointed with this. I wish they could have kept the same size and increases the dpi with a big larger screen.
by findthewords on 4/15/20, 10:06 PM
The features on offer here for the price sre surprisingly good from Apple.
The big phone/small phone argument will be silly in a couple of years when we all have folding phones.
by cmarschner on 4/15/20, 10:38 PM
This could be the perfect phone. If it had a headphone jack.
by Kye on 4/16/20, 2:39 PM
I'm definitely getting one in (PRODUCT)RED.
Jokes about editing goofs aside, this will probably replace my iPhone 6S Plus in a couple of years once it's even cheaper.
by alliao on 4/16/20, 3:19 AM
COVID-19 edition! can't tell you how many times I'm annoyed by having to tap in passwords like it's goddamn 2012! (coz i'm wearing a mask)
by amatecha on 4/15/20, 9:13 PM
Huh this is interesting. It looks totally indiscernible from the iPhone 8 I'm using now. I guess it's got a better processor though, at least :)
by incanus77 on 4/15/20, 10:47 PM
I'm a longtime Mac & iOS developer (15+ years) and I still have an iPhone SE. The only thing I care about is the size. Won't be upgrading.
by benbristow on 4/15/20, 5:56 PM
No 5G support seems a bummer (can't see any mention it on the page). DOA for me for that fact alone. Hoping the new iPhones in September have it.
by Markoff on 4/15/20, 6:16 PM
come on, that's just lazy, what would happen if they would make at least the top bezel smaller and expand the display together with higher resolution? so much wasted space
it's nice someone produce 4.7" phone, but it could be either smaller with such outdated low res display or display could be bigger in same body
this just seem like they have big stock of old displays and phone bodies they still need to dump
by generalpass on 4/15/20, 5:03 PM
Looks like the camera sticks out from the back a little, which is one of the features not present on 5S and previous SE, and I liked it that way.
by alkonaut on 4/15/20, 4:59 PM
Wow this is pretty aggressively priced. It’s very unlike Apple to self-compete like this. It looks like this will eat into the iPhone 11 sales.
by ryanSrich on 4/15/20, 5:36 PM
Touch ID alone is enough for me to consider downgrading from my iPhone 11. FaceID is one of the worst features Apple has ever released imo.
by judge2020 on 4/15/20, 3:15 PM
Looks like it doesn't come with the ultra wideband/UWB U1 chip, so this might impact future "AirTags" compatibility.
by maxpert on 4/15/20, 7:11 PM
So OnePlus released an expensive phone and Apple released a good cheaper phone. This COVID-19 surely has flipped the world upside down.
by gnicholas on 4/15/20, 5:50 PM
Apparently cases made for the iPhone 8 will fit the new SE. That's great for case manufacturers, and also good for consumers.
by symlinkk on 4/15/20, 3:28 PM
I don’t think I could go back to not having FaceID and having a physical home button. The size and the price is perfect though.
by classics2 on 4/15/20, 11:14 PM
So disappointing. No headphone jack is a no go.
by vondur on 4/15/20, 9:53 PM
Well, I was hoping for a large phone with the fingerprint reader back. I don't care for FaceID. This is a great phone.
by bruwozniak on 4/15/20, 4:49 PM
Last 2 days: an iPhone with flagship CPU is at the 400$ price point, meanwhile OnePlus releases a 900$ device. How ironic.
by scop on 4/15/20, 4:19 PM
I wonder how much of the form factor was determined by:
(a) space required by newer components (b) leftover (i.e. unsold) iPhone 8 materials
by fouc on 4/16/20, 3:01 AM
iPhone SE is the form factor of iPhone 5s, the last phone in the previous generation before iPhone 6/7/etc.
iPhone SE 2 is the form factor of iPhone 8, the last phone in the previous generation before iPhone X/11/etc.
iPhone SE2 is only a tiny bit smaller than the iPhone X or iPhone 11 Pro. Less than a half a centimeter in height and width.
by projektfu on 4/15/20, 5:24 PM
I'll wait until I hear reports of thumb-usability before buying, but if it checks out, I'll probably upgrade.
by soapdog on 4/16/20, 7:21 AM
in all this talk about form-factor and sizes, the two most comfortable phones I ever used, in terms of their physical feel in my hand, were the palm pre2 and pre3. They felt like a little river pebble that was warm to the touch. I wish companies would go back to small phones that feel good in your hand.
by coding123 on 4/15/20, 9:16 PM
This is the price point that will change the apple Android dynamic forever. Good timing with the gov checks too.
by musicale on 4/16/20, 12:18 AM
Let's not talk about the new iPhone and instead argue the merits of iOS vs. Android vs. Windows Phone. ;-)
by polygot on 4/15/20, 6:51 PM
Does anyone else get severe graphical corruption on Windows 10 using google chrome while scrolling that page?
by electriclove on 4/15/20, 3:30 PM
Fantastic specs for a fantastic price! I wonder what effect this will have on the other mobile manufacturers.
by howzen on 4/15/20, 7:51 PM
Do any of you feel that the struggle of current times places our obsession with technology into perspective?
by dakiol on 4/15/20, 6:14 PM
I don't get it. It's over 520 USD in Germany (479 EUR). Is this supposed to be an SE edition?
by Nextgrid on 4/15/20, 4:17 PM
Too bad the gold color option is gone.
by KozmoNau7 on 4/16/20, 7:32 AM
Still no proper Firefox with proper browser extensions/add-ons, still no interest in iOS devices.
by kabacha on 4/16/20, 12:45 AM
I never understood hype behind this phone. On paper it seems like april fools joke. Single camera, absurd screen-to-body ratio and all of the things from 2010 in 2020.
None of you bought s10e which is a brilliant phone yet you whine that no small phones are available - maybe you should vote with your wallet or just admit that you're in it for the nostalgia and drop the facade.
by yoelo on 4/16/20, 9:57 AM
I was looking forward to this phone but will not buy as it doesn't not have a 3.5mm jack
by l31g on 4/15/20, 5:54 PM
Compared to iPhone 8: + New processor + WiFi 6 + Dual SIM + possibly upgraded RAM
by mpweiher on 4/15/20, 5:12 PM
This is the anti-SE.
The SE was small and premium. This is big and low-end (well, Apple low-end).
by otikik on 4/16/20, 8:22 AM
> black, white and (PRODUCT)RED
This non-uniform nomenclature is hurting my programmer brain.
by ubertoop on 4/16/20, 2:05 AM
I'll be upgrading my iPhone 5s to this!
Yes, I held out THIS long for a small form factor.
by shepardrtc on 4/15/20, 3:40 PM
This looks almost exactly like an iPhone 6... The measurements are the same.
by whalesalad on 4/15/20, 3:22 PM
Apple stock is going to go bananas. Wall Street is going to love this.
by fajarsiddiqfs on 4/15/20, 8:00 PM
I love it! i still have the old iphone 5se I want to buy this one!
by r0fl on 4/15/20, 3:59 PM
No one is stating the obvious here!
Apple is making more and more money from the app store and is trying to get into the streaming content game.
Streaming tv shows and movies on a tiny screen is not as enjoyable,therefore the old SE screen size is simply never going to happen.
by ngcc_hk on 4/18/20, 10:20 AM
The size of the original iPhone has been insisted by Steve Jobs. Based on his insistence on the table high and low for apple store, there is a reason for that size.
I still bought a iPod lately for the size and 2nd phone SE for the size (and the weight).
by alexashka on 4/15/20, 3:46 PM
Nice, now if they can start making phones with easily replaceable batteries, screens and charging ports that don't break on every one of my iPhones, we'll have a product that should've been made from the very start.
by trashcan on 4/15/20, 11:40 PM
Anyone know if this will work with Google Fi out of the box?
by qblv on 4/15/20, 6:28 PM
Would I buy it? It depends on the manufacturing country!
by nojvek on 4/16/20, 2:00 AM
Ooooo they kept Touch ID. This is deffo my next phone.
by eddielement on 4/16/20, 1:37 AM
This phone compares so favorably to the Pixel 4a!
by jm1234567890 on 4/15/20, 9:57 PM
Can someone confirm or deny if it has night mode?
by livealife on 4/15/20, 4:48 PM
What does SE mean?
by kart23 on 4/15/20, 5:23 PM
type C and a headphone jack would have made this phone god-tier. Good on apple for releasing something affordable though.
by infinite_beam on 4/15/20, 3:56 PM
I am still using my iphone 6 (from 2014) without any issue besides airpods not working well with Ip6. I have been hankering for an upgrade. This might be it.
by ukj on 4/15/20, 11:09 PM
This is not an SE. This is a 6S.
I have a 6S. I want an SE.
by lunias on 4/16/20, 2:19 PM
Pretty soon we'll bring our small "phone" with us in our backpacks while our big "phone" stays at home attached to the wall.
by teknopurge on 4/15/20, 5:15 PM
Masterstroke of timing from Apple. This is what good executive leadership does wrt business: keep pocket aces when things look bleak.
by loeg on 4/15/20, 7:27 PM
Ah shoot, I wish I had known they were bringing touch ID (and the home screen button) back. Not a fan of Face ID.
by baq on 4/15/20, 3:34 PM
this is what i'll get when my 8 breaks, hopefully not in the next 2 years
by eganist on 4/15/20, 3:19 PM
> A13
Well, found my new iOS test phone.
by Brosper on 4/15/20, 10:11 PM
the worst thing for me is the design
i mean this phone is soo slippery
without case it's unusable
by tomger on 4/16/20, 1:05 AM
Death of the small phone
by richardwhiuk on 4/15/20, 3:25 PM
iPhone 11, with an iPhone 7/8 body. Sounds ideal to me.
by luxuryballs on 4/15/20, 5:06 PM
Guess it’s almost time to list my classic style iPhone SE 128GB on eBay...
by andosteinmetz on 4/15/20, 8:10 PM
Hi Apple. Throw in a 3.5mm stereo jack and you've got my attention.
by Ritsuko_akagi on 4/15/20, 4:02 PM
Wait, no nightmode?
by JohnTHaller on 4/15/20, 5:19 PM
~720p class screen
by DrNuke on 4/15/20, 3:31 PM
Carrying on with the 2019 iPad Mini wifi + a $25 Nokia dumbphone.
by smcleod on 4/15/20, 10:18 PM
ouch A$749 is pretty damn expensive...
by dmtroyer on 4/16/20, 3:11 AM
no one has mentioned that it is $399.
by winrid on 4/15/20, 9:10 PM
A light joke - this is the iPhone SE SE.
by dipshitlol on 4/15/20, 5:17 PM
This is basically a rebranded iPhone 8.
by richardwhiuk on 4/15/20, 3:44 PM
No 5G radio support...
by tonymet on 4/15/20, 5:07 PM
pixel is ded
by FriendlyNormie on 4/15/20, 3:52 PM
Why do the edges need to be round? Can this idiotic trend die already? It makes it easier for the phone to slide off of flat surfaces. It also makes it much harder to hold the phone with one hand since all the weight that concentrates on your pinky rests painfully on 2-3 millimeters of your skin rather than being spread across the full thickness of the phone. It also makes it easier for the phone to slip out of your hand if your pinky isn’t at just the right location and angle, the smooth curve means it just slides right off your pinky knuckle and onto the floor.
No one ever asked for this.
by microcolonel on 4/15/20, 10:05 PM
Anyone else miss the 3:2 aspect ratio phones? If they made a device that handles like an iPhone 4S but with smaller bezels, chin, and forehead (and maybe slightly thinner, if they must), I figure that'd be a killer. Maybe it's less of an issue now that most of their apps seem to support navigation from the canvas rather than the top left corner of the screen (I don't know since I have only ever used iPhones for testing, and not recently), but it would be nice if an ordinary person could reach every part of the screen with a thumb without adjusting their grip.
Also this phone isn't even compact, whether they slap the SE label on it.
by logicslave on 4/15/20, 5:20 PM
This is how you know the economy is bad, apple is releasing cheap phones
by monadic2 on 4/15/20, 5:32 PM
No headphone port? Are they deaf?
by MKais on 4/15/20, 9:42 PM
I'm astonished that this gets 1K+ upvotes on HN in this crisis.
by netsharc on 4/15/20, 4:43 PM
Why is the color called PRODUCT(RED)? What next, "White Pro" as a color?
by rock_artist on 4/15/20, 4:32 PM
One real con imho, no Night Mode. They could've at least some of this logic (with the A13 included).
by papermachete on 4/15/20, 3:08 PM
>(PRODUCT)RED
What about ";blue?
by phreack on 4/15/20, 6:30 PM
I know it's a pretty much lost cause but I am 100% willing to die on the hill of never buying a phone without a headphone jack, no compromises, so a sad hard pass on this one.
by polote on 4/15/20, 6:24 PM
I don't really understand why this is at HN front page, and also why people are keeping upvoting it, are you afraid some people will miss the news if this is not at the top ?
Also the guidelines state : 'If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. '
by cbovis on 4/15/20, 3:24 PM
So $400 equals roughly £320 and yet the retail price on the UK store is £419 🧐
https://www.apple.com/uk/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-se/4.7-inch-...
by laurentdc on 4/15/20, 3:09 PM
Physical button and massive bezels, pass. Feels like buying a device from a tech era ago
by amrrs on 4/15/20, 3:08 PM
On a different note, Isn't it weird to see companies launching new phones when the whole world is fighting a pandemic?
It's not like an essential that we can't live without. OnePlus just did a few days back. Do these companies expect people to buy new phones when they're are being laid off or is it just an annual ritual or a desparate move to be the first to capture the market when things become normal?
Any insights please!