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Ask HN: Why does Europe not have any big tech companies?

by msvan on 12/15/19, 10:21 AM with 17 comments

Look at this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_technology_companies_by_revenue

European countries are notably absent. Where did Europe go wrong, and is there any way to catch up?

  • by alt_f4 on 12/15/19, 3:58 PM

    I believe it is a combination of things:

    * the regulatory environment is tough on businesses: it's hard to start one and follow all the rules. The rules can also be different across EU states.

    * poorer local market. Europeans generally don't have as much disposable income as Americans. It's harder to get a good amount of people to pay 20 EUR / month for a SaaS.

    * different investor culture: if you failed once, you'll always fail thinking

    * corporate and personal taxes are high, so there's little incentive to work like crazy to become a multimillionaire if you have to pay the bulk of it in tax.

    * overall tougher social mobility, making it hard for top talent to get to the right people for funding, ideas, mentoring, etc.

    * EU spends public money in attempt to create "unicorns". This feeds a certain class of exploitative business people and paper pushers who have optimized to leech off these programs by building useless things that technically check the boxes in rule books and regulations, in order to get even more public money.

  • by alexzender on 12/15/19, 11:07 AM

    It's more difficult to scale in Europe, because of multi-language, multi-culture and regulations across the countries.
  • by Juliate on 12/15/19, 11:35 AM

    I'd guess, for a large example, military spending.

    It's not the only one, but that's one huge investor that drives many others.

    In the US, or China, you have one _huge_ budget, compared to what can be compared in terms of integration across european countries (each with their own politics, armies, capabilities, budgets, priorities; even if they do integrate & collaborate with each other).

  • by rini17 on 12/15/19, 11:39 AM

    I got curious about ESET which is European company, from Slovakia, where I live. It could be probably easily unicornized, however the owners aren't interested in selling or IPOing it. A non-silicon-valley way of doing business :)

    Source(in Slovak): https://finweb.hnonline.sk/ekonomika/951768-spolumajitel-ese...

  • by zoobab on 12/15/19, 11:07 AM

    EU Politicians, including Breton, cultivate this objective to build Unicorns and Large companies.

    This is dangerous on several levels, from waste of public money to harm to smaller competitors.

  • by rini17 on 12/15/19, 11:28 AM

    I guess there isn't such excess of easy money, VC nor govt spending?

    ECB recently joined quantitative easing however (printing money), it is buying corporate bonds en masse, so unicorn-scale VC may happen too.

  • by rotterdamdev on 12/16/19, 10:53 PM

    We have small companies who fulfill the needs of the people. In the Netherlands people don't use Google maps for public transport navigation, we use 9292.nl, whose service is much better than that of Google's spotty timetables.
  • by chillacy on 12/15/19, 7:54 PM

    I assumed tax policy had something to do with it, the US taxes profit not revenue so companies like Amazon are financially incentivized to always reinvest in itself and grow. Many European countries have a pretty hefty ~20% VAT.
  • by eb0la on 12/15/19, 5:23 PM

    Another factor is small tech companies can be bought by US companies easily.

    The US tax system allows^H^H^H^H^H^Hencourages that: this is a good use to money that would be taxed if came back to the US.

    Instead it comes back as sales, and better market position ;-).

  • by AlDante2 on 12/15/19, 12:43 PM

    If you look at the most profitable technology companies, you could ask where the US went wrong...

    https://fortune.com/global500/search/?non-us-cos-y-n=true&pr...

    NB: Interesting that Accenture is counted as an Irish company...

  • by Someone on 12/15/19, 1:56 PM

    Thomas Philippon argues a large factor is that the USA gave up on having free markets.

    https://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?isbn=9780674237544:

    ”a leading economist argues that many key problems of the American economy are due not to the flaws of capitalism or the inevitabilities of globalization but to the concentration of corporate power. By lobbying against competition, the biggest firms drive profits higher while depressing wages and limiting opportunities for investment, innovation, and growth.

    Why are cell-phone plans so much more expensive in the United States than in Europe? It seems a simple question. But the search for an answer took Thomas Philippon on an unexpected journey through some of the most complex and hotly debated issues in modern economics. Ultimately he reached his surprising conclusion: American markets, once a model for the world, are giving up on healthy competition. Sector after economic sector is more concentrated than it was twenty years ago, dominated by fewer and bigger players who lobby politicians aggressively to protect and expand their profit margins. Across the country, this drives up prices while driving down investment, productivity, growth, and wages, resulting in more inequality. Meanwhile, Europe—long dismissed for competitive sclerosis and weak antitrust—is beating America at its own game.

    Philippon, one of the world’s leading economists, did not expect these conclusions in the age of Silicon Valley start-ups and millennial millionaires. But the data from his cutting-edge research proved undeniable. In this compelling tale of economic detective work, we follow him as he works out the basic facts and consequences of industry concentration in the U.S. and Europe, shows how lobbying and campaign contributions have defanged antitrust regulators, and considers what all this means for free trade, technology, and innovation. For the sake of ordinary Americans, he concludes, government needs to return to what it once did best: keeping the playing field level for competition. It’s time to make American markets great—and free—again.”

    I know this is controversial, so I looked for negative reviews on this book. I can’t find a convincing one.

    https://www.amazon.com/Great-Reversal-America-Gave-Markets/d... has 13 reviews, all 5 stars, and positive.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/44326237-the-great-rever... has mostly 4 and 5 ratings, with a single one-star review, but that doesn’t say more than “rated it”.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/has-america-gone-sof... is the best critique I could find to critique it, which basically says “Is he right? We can’t tell”.