by wei_jok on 10/4/19, 10:59 AM with 134 comments
by jpambrun on 10/4/19, 3:17 PM
In my opinion that was extremely unproductive. It galvanized protests even further and the most common chant became "la loi special on s'en calisse" (roughly "we don't give a shit about your special law") as we were defying it. In essence, it just eroded police and state authority for an entire generation. I still strongly feel that I don't have to follow laws that I find immoral or unethical. I am not sure this is good.
by rjzzleep on 10/4/19, 11:56 AM
Not really arguing pro or against, but I do find there to be a bit of hypocrisy in the media coverage.
by sebastianconcpt on 10/4/19, 12:26 PM
For many in Hong Kong, the face mask ban is a reminder of the asymmetrical balance of power that they are protesting so hard against. While citizens are now prohibited from wearing masks in public assemblies, police officers will continue to be able to conceal their identities
by Merrill on 10/4/19, 12:21 PM
The adoption of masks is probably driven by the digital imaging chip and the ubiquity of digital photos and videos. If the police don't image you, your friends and the media probably will.
by pionerkotik on 10/4/19, 12:17 PM
This does produce ridiculous results occasionally. My friend was briefly detained by the police for wearing a ski mask on a long winter walk. It was -25°C outside.
by kawsper on 10/4/19, 11:57 AM
Disguising your face is also illegal in Denmark.
by jkaptur on 10/4/19, 1:50 PM
by the-dude on 10/4/19, 11:48 AM
Although the current interest is probably related to HK, the ban in The Netherlands seems to be related to the introduction of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burqa in the public domain.
by Miner49er on 10/4/19, 12:21 PM
There's also been a lot of talk at local levels.
by josh_fyi on 10/4/19, 11:48 AM
by imtringued on 10/4/19, 1:18 PM
by hprotagonist on 10/4/19, 2:28 PM
Some things are truly eternal.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1584317/Hoodies-were...
by emptybits on 10/4/19, 12:02 PM
Near-future: "Does a full-facial e-ink tattoo, dynamically reconfigurable, count as a mask?"
by greggman2 on 10/4/19, 5:23 PM
They are also a problem for anyone who has an iPhone with FaceID
by immmmmm on 10/4/19, 1:01 PM
by jessriedel on 10/4/19, 5:42 PM
> Many anti-mask laws date back to the mid-20th century when states and municipalities, passed them to stop the violent activities of the Ku Klux Klan, whose members typically wore hoods of white linen to conceal their identities....
> A three-judge panel of the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit upheld a New York law on the ground that wearing a Ku Klux Klan mask did not convey a protected message beyond that conveyed by wearing a hood and robe.[2] Other courts have struck down anti-mask laws. For example, Tennessee and Florida state laws have been invalidated on the grounds that they were unconstitutionally broad.[10] An ordinance in Goshen, Indiana, was struck down based on First Amendment doctrine that specifically protects anonymous speech and anonymous association, especially for unpopular groups like the KKK.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-mask_law
> In 1845 New York made it illegal to appear “disguised and armed.” Most anti-mask laws [in the US] were passed, however, in response to the Ku Klux Klan, whose members used masks to hide their identities as they terrorized their victims.
https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1169/anti-mask-...
> In the United States, anti-mask laws were first passed in the 19th century to combat various threats of violence—among them, the killing of Hudson Valley landlords by tenant farmers who dressed up as American Indians, and also the growing violence of the Ku Klux Klan.
http://jtl.columbia.edu/the-inexorable-anti-mask-movement/
Here's a serious analysis of how one might tailor an anti-mask law while avoiding the most serious free-speech issues, at least in the narrow sense of passing constitutional muster in the US.
https://ir.lawnet.fordham.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=30...
by mandelbrotwurst on 10/4/19, 3:08 PM
Of course, cold tends to have a literal "chilling effect" on activity as well (see: crime rates in summer)!
by theboulevardier on 10/4/19, 12:52 PM
by C1sc0cat on 10/4/19, 2:28 PM
by pseingatl on 10/4/19, 3:57 PM
by yoyoyooma on 10/4/19, 4:01 PM