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Apple Turns Its Back on Customers and Nvidia with MacOS Mojave

by redial on 12/13/18, 2:59 AM with 77 comments

  • by zimpenfish on 12/13/18, 11:24 AM

    Headline blaming Apple and then, in the 8th paragraph,

    > At this point, it’s somewhat unclear exactly as to why NVIDIA GPU support isn’t present in Mojave

  • by rapsey on 12/13/18, 6:20 AM

    Anyone requiring special hardware for their work is a fool to use Apple computers.

  • by mcv on 12/13/18, 10:13 AM

    I've never been at the forefront of upgrading my Macbook, and that seems like a wise decision now. Still, increasingly poor versions of OS X present a clear end of the line for my 2011 Macbook Pro.

    Some time ago I was forced to upgrade to Sierra, because LinkedIn's website stopped working in Chrome. (I don't use LinkedIn much because it's awful, but a lot of clients find me there.) Turns out LinkedIn felt my version of Chrome was too old to support. But why was Chrome too old? Doesn't it update automatically? Yes, as long as the new version supports your OS, and apparently Chrome had stopped supporting Lion quite some time before. So I had to upgrade, and although I would have preferred to upgrade to Maverick, Apple only offered the option to upgrade to the latest version: Sierra.

    If Mojave is such a no-go, upgrading to the version just before Mojave may not be possible, so I might be stuck on Sierra until my Macbook collapses, slowly watching websites drop support.

    Obviously my next machine is not going to be Apple. I'm probably going to get a ThinkPad with some version of Linux if I can find a nice one.

  • by nisten on 12/13/18, 6:32 AM

    New OS doesn't yet have drivers for some cards, got it.

  • by brian_herman on 12/13/18, 5:07 AM

    In a walled ecosystem you are a sharecropper not the owner.

  • by saagarjha on 12/13/18, 6:28 AM

    > Apple fully controls drivers for Mac OS.

    How so? Can you just not write graphics drivers for macOS?

  • by elseless on 12/13/18, 6:43 AM

    I found this out the hard way a month ago when I updated my hackintosh from 10.13 to 10.14.

    Never assume, even several weeks after a macOS release, that working Nvidia drivers will be available!

  • by zwaps on 12/13/18, 9:30 AM

    Why you would use an Apple computer in actual "production pipelines" that generate revenue, need upgrading, and use external hardware, is beyond me.

    In that article we get to read about entire firms using rendering pipelines that are now useless. While that is a terrible blunder by Apple, I really would ask how the responsible parties thought it a good idea to rely on an ecosystem that they have zero control over and that should have been considered "supported" only in an unofficial sense, no matter what Apple says. Heck, the upgrade even breaks older Apple built machines.

    Macs and Apple machines are only production machines "as is". And that means they are only made to be interface/user machines. They don't scale, they don't upgrade and they don't work with external hardware. All decisions by Apple - walled garden, the lack of connectivity and the upgrade policy make this ABUNDENTLY CLEAR.

    If Apple technology is a node in a pipeline that isn't entirely Apple (or, even then), and those things can not be replaced by other machines immediately, or kept upgrade&update free, then it's your fault.

  • by yannovitch on 12/15/18, 11:30 AM

    I bet that this is due to Nvidia pushing their agenda with CUDA, as opposed to Apple championing either Metal or OpenCL.

  • by simonCGN on 12/13/18, 8:40 AM

    OMG, I can not use a Mercedes Engine in my BMW

  • by stuntkite on 12/13/18, 3:03 PM

    Apple 100% does not care about it's creative class anymore. I love my 2013 macbook air and pro. It's over though. If you need to get things done there are plenty of linux options.

    Yes, all of the trackpads suck.

    EDIT: Please down vote if that expresses your feels, but if you've got a new MBP or Mac Pro and feel supported by Apple I'd love to know why and what you use it for. I miss being able to buy a solid computer from them that I knew would be my workhorse for 2+ years and have a long life after.

  • by throwawayhwjwge on 12/13/18, 11:22 AM

    If you are a software developer, you have no excuse not buying a Linux compatible machine and using it as your daily driver. It really isn't that hard. I "downgraded" from a MacBook Pro 2017 non-touchbar because I realised I fundamentally disagree with Apple and the direction of our monoculture. Ironically I bought a second hand Levono ThinkPad Carbon X1 gen3, which was originally IBM, which Apple claim are 1984 dictators. How times have changed. Im nearly completely free of Apples ecosystem, thank god.