by dang on 11/24/18, 7:45 PM
by danvittegleo on 11/24/18, 7:15 PM
If you are looking to maintain a secure device similar to stock Android without google services, a Pixel phone with verified boot using your own signing keys, latest AOSP, and up to date drivers/firmware is a far better option. I've been working on a project that automates the entire process in AWS and it supports all Pixel phones now:
https://github.com/dan-v/rattlesnakeos-stack.
by kop316 on 11/24/18, 3:58 PM
So reading through it, my understanding of what is going on is that they use MicroG + LineageOS and provide their own email/app store/other services. I tried to go through to figure out what exactly they did to degoogle /e/ further than that, but I couldn't find the documentation to show me.
If the folks from /e/ are here, is there some sort of documentation of how you degoogled it past LineageOS + MicroG? I would be interested, as I use AOSP without Play Services nor MicroG, and I would be interested in seeing what /e/ gets me that my current set up does not.
by notatoad on 11/24/18, 8:04 PM
My question whenever one of these de-googled google projects comes up is how do they keep up with the security patches released in stock? This is an especially big problem with all the "de-googled" chromium forks, that remove autocomplete from the address bar at the expense of running 3 versions behind stable. The only fork i've seen so far that even came close to keeping up with the average android install was Copperhead OS, and they seem fairly proud of that - it's right at the top of their features overview [1].
Seeing no mention of how up-to-date this OS is is worrying - I have a hard time seeing it as an improvement to reduce the number of calls to google services, while running an OS that's missing the last couple months of security updates.
[1] https://copperhead.co/android/
by ma2rten on 11/24/18, 4:41 PM
I am confused. Everything I read on the website is very vague.
What exactly is their issue with Apple? Apple is already privacy focused. I can imagine what it could be (mistrust of closed source, big corporations) but they never say so. What exactly are they building? Are they just a distro or are they building their own software?
EDIT: All the replies focus on Apple. But my point is not that Apple is privacy-friendly. When I say Apple is privacy-focused, I just mean Apple claims they focus on privacy. They can disagree, but should provide some arguments.
by kop316 on 11/24/18, 3:50 PM
by haolez on 11/24/18, 3:54 PM
Why use slashes in the name? Why not just E Foundation or something similar?
by netdeamon on 11/24/18, 5:28 PM
This is why I always wanted the boot to gecko (B2G), also called firefox os, to succeed. It was different and also open source. The concept was also good. But too bad they only released on very low cost, low feature phone like Spice. It was a shit phone with good os.
I don’t know about e foundation, but what I came to know from their mobile phone os page is that they are providing a os with data privacy as main feature. Why cannot they reuse firefox os?
by O_H_E on 11/24/18, 4:12 PM
This is my first time to not find a Wikipedia entry for a topic.
The only mention that I found was in the founder's wiki[0] page.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ga%C3%ABl_Duval
Edit: Well I think I might create one when I have some free time. As it look like a nice project
by devxpy on 11/24/18, 5:33 PM
I think my phone is not just about apps, but also services, tightly integrated with those apps, like chrome's browser history, password manager, Google docs synchronisation etc.
Perhaps the only reason why I cannot shift to other apps is due to the serious is the lack of cohesion across all platforms. Google has It's paws on every device, every platform. Which is a huge selling point.
Half my work is handled by this single Google account. I haven't seen any product lineup that lets me have this kind of one-ness across my devices.
by surgeisworking on 11/24/18, 4:20 PM
A flipped and mirrored iteration of google's G as their logo doesn't really help to serve the cause.
by Nux on 11/24/18, 4:40 PM
Interesting, Gael Duval of Mandrake Linux fame I assume.
by tinkr on 11/24/18, 6:16 PM
I degoogled my phone by installing LingageOS and by not installing any Google app (no play services etc). Everything is great, except one major annoyance: I do not receive any notifications of chat apps, because I am not connected to GCM /Firebase. Does /e/ somehow fix this, e.g. by providing their own cloud messaging services?
by ssivark on 11/24/18, 5:34 PM
Every passing year makes me yearn more for the missed possibilities of the Firefox OS for the phone. It was visionary of Mozilla folks to anticipate the need for it — I wonder whether the project might have been mismanaged due to unrealistic expectations (expecting too much too soon).
by codedokode on 11/24/18, 7:28 PM
It is going to be a difficult task. Developers won't bother to write or update their apps for a niche OS. But if it at least can run apps from F-droid (and has root access) then it is good enough for me. And if there were a replacement for apps depending on Google Services then it would be perfect.
> office: a set of online office applications (including word processor, spreadsheet and presentation) that you can use for collaborative work also.
Is it really necessary? It might work for a tablet but for example I cannot type anything on small on-screen keyboard. And I don't understand why do that if you have a laptop with a normal keyboard. So I think a document viewer would be more than enough.
by zandorg on 11/24/18, 5:17 PM
I just want to buy a phone with this on. Is this possible? I don't want the hassle of finding a phone on Ebay and installing some bundle of software. I just want to plug and play.
by amelius on 11/24/18, 8:22 PM
Naming your product "/e/" is a good way to de-Google as it ensures your product will never be found in a Google search!
by rkagerer on 11/24/18, 5:05 PM
Will it support anything that runs LineageOS? I was going to buy a Xiaomi Pocophone F1, wondering if this is worth trying out.
by incompatible on 11/24/18, 11:30 PM
What are the privacy and security considerations of running an open source operating system with Android 8 (Oreo)? I believe this (as Project Treble) would generally leave the lowest layer of the vendor-supplied Android still in place, potentially giving them some responsibility and control.
by spuz on 11/24/18, 3:59 PM
How is the /e/ Foundation and the /e/ OS different from Mozilla and the Firefox phone?
by wnscooke on 11/25/18, 11:05 AM
I’m surprised by the number of Chinese phones on the supported list. Does this mean a simple OS reinstall overwrites any backdoors these phones may have, which suggests any backdoor is software related? What about hardware? Dos the new OS inhibit hardware backdoor communications?
by afandian on 11/24/18, 7:10 PM
In case it's bugging anyone else: the logo is the reverse of the Ableton Live ligo.
by dleslie on 11/24/18, 7:02 PM
by kcirtap-hs on 11/24/18, 6:40 PM
by nwellnhof on 11/24/18, 3:53 PM
If they really support Android 8 (Oreo) on the Nexus 5 (Hammerhead), I might give it a try. LineageOS doesn't support this combination yet, at least not officially.
by pndy on 11/24/18, 9:25 PM
Damn, I wish one of such project could do something about my Nokia Lumia 1320 but iirc locked bootloader of Windows Phone is the problem here
by oneplane on 11/24/18, 6:43 PM
What is the point of this project (and most other Android-ish projects) if you are still stuck with the same binary blobs, modem OS you can't see or change, ROM loaders in the SoC, persistent code running with higher privs than your kernel (which is often woefully outdated and full of holes).
If you simply don't want your phone to talk to google, connect to a WiFi AP you control which also blocks all of Google's AS-numbers and thus the subnets they contain.
by donarb on 11/24/18, 6:06 PM
How long before they get sued for their stylized 'e' which is a ripoff of Google's logo? Essentially it's an upside down 'G'.
by hasahmed on 11/24/18, 5:55 PM
Any hope on the iPhone front?
by gcb0 on 11/24/18, 3:57 PM
Do they really support those devices? or do you still have to install binary blobs (pried from Google/OEM images) for the kernel and/or drivers to have even basic things like touchscreen, radio, etc working?
by charliebrownau on 11/25/18, 4:18 AM
Gday
Platforms that censor speech:-
* Facebook
* Twitter
* Google
* Youtube
* Pateron
* Stripe
* Paypal
* Twitch
* Spotify
* Apple + apple podcast
* pin interest
* LinkedIn
* Mailchimp
* Wordpress
* mastodon
* azure cloud servers (microsoft)
* Mastercard
* Godaddy (removed alex jones+gab)
* MEDIUM (Banned GAB Oct-2018)
* Shopify (Banned AJ + GAB Oct-2018)
* Cloudflare
* pusher.com
* WIKI
Platforms that DONT censor speech
* Tutanota + Protonmail(email alt)
* Minds +mewe (FB alt)
* Gabai (Twitter alt)
* Bitchute (Youtube alt)
* Wire (skype alt)
* Librepay (Donation alt)
* Startengine (Kickstarter alt)
* peertube (DIY self host youtube stream style server)
Also look into:-
* searX.me or Duckduckgo (search alt)
* OpenStreetmap - instead of Google maps
* imgtc or tineye - free image upload site
* Linux - Win/MacOSX replacement
* f-droid.org - Google Play Store ALT
* Mumble - Discord ALT
Regards
Charliebrownau
by blueboo on 11/24/18, 4:59 PM
The downgrade in security isn't worth it. Too little, too late folks