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Mutually Nonconsensual Sex

by steven2012 on 6/3/18, 4:16 AM with 30 comments

  • by mirimir on 6/3/18, 5:18 AM

    > "Male and female student have a drunken hookup. He wakes up, terrified she's going to file a sexual misconduct complaint, so he goes to the Title IX office and beats her to the punch. She is found guilty and suspended."

    It was bound to happen. I'm surprised that I've not seen reports before. So obvious.

  • by belorn on 6/3/18, 7:20 AM

    When Sweden first discussed to change the law for sexual assault and rape, this was my fist thought. They changed the text to remove violence as a factor and added in its place consent, which in concept sounds good since that is more the central issue for what we recognize as assault.

    But it does lead to the problem where two people can simultaneous accuse the other of rape, and the problem of our current systematic response of treating the accused as guilty by default. It is very hard if not impossible to disprove for a school or public a lack of verbal or non-verbal consent. If there is a benefit of being first to report then this kind of situation is bound to recur.

    On the positive side I predict we will see more understanding and light for male victims. No more is strength and violence a factor, which has historically been used as an argument why men can't get sexual assaulted. I also predict that the clearing rate will go down in proportionality to the number of reported cases, but will stay rather static in the proportionality to the population.

  • by mamon on 6/3/18, 8:31 AM

    Why not abolish Title IX completely?

    College students are adults, so the most serious (and possibly violent) sexual offences can be prosecuted according to criminal law, and the rest is just something two adults should be able to figure out by themselves.

    Cases like the one described in the article are simply impossible to be correctly assesed by the judge or jury: too little information, and all the reasoning rules that one could apply are subjective and culture-dependent.

  • by acou_nPlusOne_t on 6/3/18, 1:31 PM

    Game theory meets sex-life. Prison dileman applied and first strike means you win, but at the same time, you have to go cellibate to not give a weak spot for revenge hook-ups.

    Very soon, joining a amercian fraternity, will be equivalent to joining a monastry. Which means, the political correctness is attacking the universitys where it hurts- attractivenes to party students.

    In the left corner, PC-Culture, in the right corner the dean and his accounting.

    What a tragedy, what a farce.

  • by jobigoud on 6/3/18, 9:51 AM

    Startup idea: proof of consent as a service.

    A website/app where you can quickly declare consent for a specific activity, and share that declaration privately with a specific other user of the app. Each entry is secure/private to only you and the person you share it with. The entries are timestamped, you cannot delete them.

    Then before the act, you quickly do a consent exchange and each person has the proof that the other consented.

    You could make the entries visible only for a period of time to their own users, after which they are only accessible if there is a legal process, to avoid them being used as trophies/outing.

    Obligatory Dave Chapelle Love contracts: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/jwmvxd/chappelle-s-show-love-c...

  • by Khaine on 6/3/18, 5:55 AM

    Hopefully, this is the start of people realising that Obama's 'Dear Colleague' change in interpretation of title IX was a mistake.

  • by tomtimtall on 6/3/18, 10:20 AM

    Sounds like a pretty run of the mill sexual assault. Guy follows drunk girl home and is too aggressive in trying to her to do something she doesn’t want ending with him forcefully putting her hand on his junk against her will. Only ofcause this is all very “troubling” because the sexes are reversed.

  • by dsr12 on 6/3/18, 2:10 PM

    I think such issues can be avoided to an extent by a wearable device which can track your alcohol content or track if you are conscious. If at any point it detects you are not in control of you sense, maybe raise alarm, send alerts to friends/family etc. Maybe it will help in avoiding such incidents under the influence of alcohol or other drugs.

    Netflix created something for fun to detect if you are awake or not: http://makeit.netflix.com/projects/socks . I wish someone creates something similar to save people from horrible situations.

  • by beer_cub on 6/3/18, 6:34 AM

    This woman is an anti-feminist nutjob, I can't believe she'll still writing opinion pieces for the Atlantic...