by cvittal on 5/2/18, 8:25 PM with 130 comments
by modbait on 5/2/18, 9:03 PM
I grew up in a time and place where many took great steps to profess that they were the "good" people and to ensure that everyone knew that they appropriately despised the "bad" people (albeit with love). I will not be a part of a return to that.
by jakobegger on 5/2/18, 9:27 PM
How does it harm you if someone tries to increase diversity?
LLVM is a big project; there’s surely enough space for different people.
Some people will focus on the technical bits; others will focus on legal issues, and others can focus on social issues.
What’s the problem with that? Why do so many people become defensive when a project adopts a code of conduct?
If you really only care about building a great project with smart people, why do you care about the code of conduct? Just carry on with your work!
If the code of conduct actually gets in the way of working, please speak up, but that doesn’t seem to be the case here.
by stillkicking on 5/3/18, 2:10 AM
Yet another thread that demonstrates the social justice movement's harmful influence is flagged into invisibility.
Time to cite Fredrik DeBoer I guess:
>“Social justice” is an awkward term for an immensely important project, perhaps the most important project, which is to make the world a more equitable, fair, and compassionate place.
>But the project for social justice has been captured by an elite strata of post-collegiate, digitally-enabled children of privilege, who do not pursue that project as an end, but rather use it as a means with which to compete, socially and professionally, with each other.
>In that use, they value not speech or actions that actually result in a better world, but rather those that result in greater social reward, which in the digital world is obvious and explicit. That means that they prefer engagement that creates a) outrage and b) jokes, rather than engagement that leads to positive change.
>In this disregard for actual political success, they reveal their own privilege, as it’s only the privileged who could ever have so little regard for actual, material progress. As long as they are allowed to co-opt the movement for social justice for their own personal aggrandizement, the world will not improve, not for women, people of color, gay and transgender people, or the poor.
Remember when node.js forked into ayo.js? Well, maybe not, because you weren't allowed to see it:
by michaellarabel on 5/2/18, 9:45 PM
by shifter on 5/2/18, 9:15 PM
by YuukiRey on 5/3/18, 9:42 AM
I think this paragraph says more about the author of the post and his true intentions than the rest of the post.
by GiorgioG on 5/2/18, 9:07 PM
I just want to work with smart people. I don't care what gender they associate themselves with, what color they are, whether there's an equal distribution of any of these characteristics in my department. I just want to do my job and learn from smart people. Why can't it be as simple as that?
by alexandernst on 5/2/18, 10:39 PM
by tailrecursion on 5/3/18, 1:42 AM
by windoze10 on 5/6/18, 1:24 PM
They can go F themselves.
by amyjess on 5/2/18, 9:33 PM
> Since agreement [to the code of conduct] is required to take part in the conferences, I am no longer able to attend.
For reference, this is LLVM's code of conduct: https://llvm.org/docs/CodeOfConduct.html
If somebody finds any of the below to be objectionable and refuses to abide by it, I would not be comfortable attending a conference with that person or being forced to interact them for e.g. code review purposes. His departure is regrettable, but it is for the best that he's chosen to remove himself from the project if he can't bring himself to abide by it.
> Be friendly and patient.
> Be welcoming. We strive to be a community that welcomes and supports people of all backgrounds and identities. This includes, but is not limited to members of any race, ethnicity, culture, national origin, colour, immigration status, social and economic class, educational level, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity and expression, age, size, family status, political belief, religion or lack thereof, and mental and physical ability.
> Be considerate. Your work will be used by other people, and you in turn will depend on the work of others. Any decision you take will affect users and colleagues, and you should take those consequences into account. Remember that we’re a world-wide community, so you might not be communicating in someone else’s primary language.
> Be respectful. Not all of us will agree all the time, but disagreement is no excuse for poor behavior and poor manners. We might all experience some frustration now and then, but we cannot allow that frustration to turn into a personal attack. It’s important to remember that a community where people feel uncomfortable or threatened is not a productive one. Members of the LLVM community should be respectful when dealing with other members as well as with people outside the LLVM community.
> Be careful in the words that you choose and be kind to others. Do not insult or put down other participants. Harassment and other exclusionary behavior aren’t acceptable. This includes, but is not limited to:
> Violent threats or language directed against another person.
> Discriminatory jokes and language.
> Posting sexually explicit or violent material.
> Posting (or threatening to post) other people’s personally identifying information (“doxing”).
> Personal insults, especially those using racist or sexist terms.
> Unwelcome sexual attention.
> Advocating for, or encouraging, any of the above behavior.
> In general, if someone asks you to stop, then stop. Persisting in such behavior after being asked to stop is considered harassment.
> When we disagree, try to understand why. Disagreements, both social and technical, happen all the time and LLVM is no exception. It is important that we resolve disagreements and differing views constructively. Remember that we’re different. The strength of LLVM comes from its varied community, people from a wide range of backgrounds. Different people have different perspectives on issues. Being unable to understand why someone holds a viewpoint doesn’t mean that they’re wrong. Don’t forget that it is human to err and blaming each other doesn’t get us anywhere. Instead, focus on helping to resolve issues and learning from mistakes.
by rhapsodic on 5/2/18, 9:04 PM
The community change I cannot take is how the social injustice
movement has permeated it. When I joined llvm no one asked or cared
about my religion or political view. We all seemed committed to just
writing a good compiler framework.
by peterashford on 5/2/18, 10:58 PM