by jadeydi on 4/17/18, 1:29 PM with 120 comments
by codingdave on 4/17/18, 4:19 PM
Instead, write 'honest' content. Write it well. Write it for humans. If you find yourself adding content in hopes the search engine will pick it up, that is a short-term gain for long-term pain. Do have your title match your content. Do try to write unique phrases that are applicable to your content. And try not to copy/paste content around your pages.
Do all that, with clean markup, and your SEO will be good enough to beat out local competitors. (Even if agencies tell you differently.)
by orliesaurus on 4/17/18, 3:20 PM
by JeremyMorgan on 4/17/18, 4:42 PM
I get a lot of search engine traffic to my blog, with the following strategy:
Stage 1: Technical - Clean up your act.
If you structure your site properly and make it accessible, search engines will crawl and index it properly. Make your content accessible from a technical standpoint.
Clean up your HTML
Make your URLs reflect your content, cleanly
Build and submit sitemaps
Make the navigation on your website simple and effective
Make your website load quickly
Stage 2: Content - Make great stuff.
If you build great content, people will share it. They will link to you.
Build great content
Make things that help people
Stay within a niche if you can
Create content that helps people, even if you're giving a little of your service away. (For example, a roofing company featuring an article about how to choose a roof, even if it sends them to your competitor, or some DIY stuff)
If you do these things, you'll do well in search engines. I'm oversimplifying a bit, but this is way more effective than keyword stuffing, link purchasing, etc.
Just keep it honest.
by brosirmandude on 4/17/18, 4:08 PM
If you're an ecommerce shop optimizing product and category pages - SEO will help.
If you're a plumber and ranking higher than your competition will bring in new leads & jobs - SEO will help.
If you're an established SaaS company launching a new product - SEO will help.
If you're a brand new SaaS startup - SEO is probably not the best thing to spend money on. That money is likely better spent on PR getting press mentions, and on PPC ads promoting your brand.
The main problem I see many small businesses making is relying solely on SEO to bring them leads while having no other marketing strategy. This may have worked well for them back when you could spam websites to the top of SERPs, but it's not the case today.
by 3pt14159 on 4/17/18, 3:29 PM
I've also been starting to notice that having custom HTML / CSS is boosting things more than before for smaller sites.
Also, even if using JS for SPAs doesn't matter to Google there is a reasonable long tail of other web crawlers that may or may not be helpful to your ends and you'd be surprised at how many of them just use mechanize or nokogiri instead of something more robust. Basically it comes down to cost, last time I was in the custom crawler trade it was around 50x more expensive to do things with a virtual dom than it was to either straight parse the HTML or figure out the main API calls JS was making from the browser that actually had the data I needed and just run those.
by chuckgreenman on 4/17/18, 4:46 PM
If you want to be featured at the top of search results you need to have content that is actually relevant to the search term. It has to be genuinely relevant and of high quality and ideally, linked to by other respected sites.
You can spend all the time and money you want on the gimmicky stuff, google will update the algorithm and wash away any progress you make.
by ilhicas on 4/17/18, 1:51 PM
by jimmy1 on 4/17/18, 1:53 PM
by nige123 on 4/18/18, 6:05 AM
It's an association engine.
We know what Google is trying to do - associate the best solutions to search questions.
To game Google you need to help them achieve their objective - associate their search queries with your solutions.
Broadly there are three types of search desire:
1. navigational - the user wants to find a resource or place?
2. informational - the user wants to learn something?
3. transactional - the user wants to perform an action (pay a bill, book a flight, hotel, restaurant etc)
If a page satisfies a user's search desire - they won't search for it again.
This missing search trail is a valuable signal to Google. It provides some evidence that page A satisfies query B. The more these signals fire the stronger the association.
SEO 2018?
Ideally make pages that solve your users' search problems without them needing to go back to Google to search again.
by hashsalt on 4/17/18, 3:35 PM
That said, if you're targeting a certain city, definitely still works. Most local sites are poorly optimized.
by vidyesh on 4/17/18, 4:13 PM
The changes Google will do to their algorithm will sooner or later be gamed, SEO 'experts' will beat a small subset of the system, Google will penalize them and adapt making it vulnerable to more exploitation.
The search engine is interacted with by humans so no matter what Google does, at the end humans(SEOs) on the other end will try to present their content first the way they see fit for humans.
by at-fates-hands on 4/17/18, 9:03 PM
I found out a number of things when I was working closely with my clients. Most were doing ok in the SERPS and a few did really well because of the niche industries they were in.
Some things I found out:
1 - SEO helps, but is never the determining factor in hiring any of the companies I worked with. This means you can be #1, #1 in Google and still not get any business because of it.
2 - Tracking contacts is critical. We mandated all of our clients use an answering service. They would contact people within 24 hours of receiving a contact form. The owner would then follow up to set up appointments, consultations, etc. Once we did this, we saw a massive jump in sales conversions which had nothing to do with SEO.
3 - If your design sucks and people can't find what they're looking for quickly, they're going to leave your site no matter how high you're ranking. We found this out with several of our clients who didn't want to redesign their site for various reasons. They ranked high, but their traffic and conversions sucked. We redesigned their site(s) for easier navigation, and prioritized content and got rid of other content that clogged their site. Conversions jumped by 43% over a 6 month period.
SEO does matter, but even if with massive amounts of traffic because you're ranking well isn't a magic bullet for success. You also need a good design and content people can find quickly and easily.
by dazc on 4/17/18, 4:27 PM
From what I see, in the UK at least, small businesses aren't doing this. Either they can't be bothered or are afraid of giving away knowledge they think they could be charging for?
by seanwilson on 4/17/18, 5:25 PM
Plugging my own project but based on the above principles I wrote a guide containing on-page SEO rules that authoritative sources say are important (e.g. Google) and created a Chrome extension that tests your site follows these rules:
by rokhayakebe on 4/17/18, 7:17 PM
Edit: Let me offer a different way to look at it.
Does having a well organized website help turn visitors into clients? Yes. Well that's SEO, a well organized website.
Does having useful and well written information about the services and products you offer, or you industry, help your business? Yes. Well that's SEO too.
Can sharing your knowledge online across different relevant forums help you grow your brand and business? Yes. Well that's SEO as well.
It is just that people who do not know SEO think it is things such as keywords and metatags and url structure, but everything above and more is SEO. And all these things work to your advantage, therefore SEO works.
by ezoe on 4/17/18, 4:40 PM
Currently, most Japanese Google search results are garbages. It's all boilarplate texts(but produced by very cheap human labor writers so you can't easily filter it out) with keywords in it.
SEO won, Google lost.
by dmtroyer on 4/17/18, 3:41 PM
by chx on 4/17/18, 5:51 PM
by kristianc on 4/17/18, 1:44 PM
Similarly, AMP has kind of changed the game in terms of publisher traffic. Users seem to be assuming that results that do not appear in those carousels are more outdated / less relevant.
by spamwatch on 4/17/18, 7:13 PM
http://plumber-plumbers.co.za/index-rivonia-plumbers.html
http://www.plumbersgauteng.co.za/gauteng-plumbers-areas/plum...
That is so gamed. Keyword stuffing, repeated exact pages. I assume it's better in the US but surely the algos are run over the whole dataset? Is this a worldwide problem?
When I first did that search I found nests of sites using exactly the same content and styles, with different areas. Same phone number across many sites, cross-linked out the wazoo. I don't have the interest to check now but it doesn't seem much better.
by jasonlotito on 4/17/18, 7:30 PM
by jeffnappi on 4/17/18, 5:33 PM
High quality content isn't cheap and you have to be in it for the long game.
by arnon on 4/17/18, 3:52 PM
by rajacombinator on 4/19/18, 2:09 AM
-t. my impression from dabbling briefly with it.
by michaelbuckbee on 4/17/18, 4:42 PM
by myth_buster on 4/17/18, 4:28 PM
But more often than not, SEO is an umbrella term which encapsulates both the good and the bad practices. Given the work Google and others have done on weeding out the latter using ML/AI as well as human intervention [0] I would say you can't be sure whether those would work. It's contingent on Search Engines being aware of the practice and penalizing that behavior. So it may work today but not guaranteed to work tomorrow.
by austincheney on 4/17/18, 4:42 PM
This saves the user time because they may get what they need directly from the intelligent search engine result data so that they don't have to enter my site. On the other hand Google makes deep links into the site immediately available as "sub-results" so that a user can enter the site more directly without wasting time on an entry point.
by uberend23 on 4/18/18, 8:01 PM
Really, SEO means labelling your content so google understands what it is.
After that, it's all about links.
by blairanderson on 4/17/18, 7:23 PM
by taveras on 4/18/18, 1:51 PM
by davemel37 on 4/17/18, 7:36 PM
The question itself begs for an anecdotal answer that is completely irrelevant to your circumstances...
More importantly, the amount of people who have given up on strategies too soon or because it wasnt done in a way to provide empirical evidence, is staggering... and the amount of misinformation that flows out into the wild built on those flawed premises is really problematic for those without the context of your situation and the relative context of the situation where those opinions were formed.
The second problem is that opportunity cost is rarely measured by marketers. The third problem is that your resource allocation relative to your objectives is arguably more important than any other factor or opinion about a strategy.
Marketing decisions should be made in the context of your resources, goals, and your broader marketing mix.
The idea that you can evaluate a specific strategy and measure its return in a Silo without considering the opportunity costs and other available strategies relative to your specific resource limitations is very dangerous and needs to be killed off!
The ideal scenario is to optimize to cashflow relative to lifetime value and time value of money...or get as close as possible to this...and choose strategies within the context of this calculation.
You want an SEO strategy? First, figure out if your audience is there and the cost to reach them with paid search and how long it takes to turn into cashflow and the lifetime value of that customer...than evaluate the costs to optimize to rank for that keyword, and how long it will take, than look at your other resources and strategies relative to the likely costs and returns and time to get cash returned relative to those strategies and decide if its worth investing in ranking there...
Once you identify a proven keyword and have context for the cost and value and time and oppirtunity costs, than figure out how to rank for that keyword... maybe you buy a site that is already ranking. Maybe you advertise on sites already ranking. Maybe you think about the user and find a way to create a resource that Google will want to rank because of its utility... and than create empirical tests to measure progress and than you invest !!!
------ The shortcut SEO strategy i like is to ask yourself, what resource can I create for my industry that is not online but would offer so much utility that google has no choice but to optimize their algorithms to rank my resource... like wayne gretzky, go where the puck will be in the future...
When is SEO is done right, its Google trying to optimize its algorithms to rank your content, not vice versa!
Just my two cents.
by deadcoder0904 on 4/17/18, 1:50 PM
The guy Brian Dean has many years of experience about SEO
by gscott on 4/17/18, 3:14 PM
by gcuofano on 4/19/18, 1:07 PM
The answer is SEO matters a lot. Yet SEO today means something entirely different from what it meant a few years back.
Back in 2015 when I started my blog, I was writing what would be defined quality content. It was very in-depth, researched (at times it would take me weeks to write a piece of over three thousand words). However, when I hit the publish button I wasn't getting any traffic (at the time a few dozens visits per month!). True, quality content is the baseline, but if you don't have an idea of how search engines work, you might gain traction over a few years time, but the process is quite long and not guaranteed to succeed!
However, what SEO means today is different from what it meant a few years back. In the past keywords and backlinks were all that mattered. They still count. However, it will come a day when they will stop working. Why?
Since 2012, Google has been building a giant knowledge graph, which main aim is to gather information on the web, structure it in the form of nodes and edges to construct this massive graph. Thus, getting featured within Google's so-called knowledge vault becomes critical for an effective SEO strategy.
Thus, if in the past you might be targeting keywords to be positioned on the SERP. Today you might want to be more focused on long-tail keywords that can bring you in featured snippets or inside a knowledge panel. In fact, those are also the avenues to get into the Google assistant, thus voice search.
In short, while in the past it made sense to use backlinks and keywords because Google lacked the power to use more sophisticated methods to index and rank the web pages. Now you have to switch from a keyword centered content model. To an entity-based content model.
This kind of approach is more holistic and targets not only the SERP, but it allows you to get ready for voice search. What are some practical examples of having this approach?
- an internal glossary that targets specific questions your readers/potential customers might have - structured data in the form of Schema injected as JSON-LD (in this way you're giving better data that does not affect the performance of the page) - use a better internal linking strategy, that connects articles to topical pages (like the glossary pages) and back
There are more strategies to adopt, but those are the ones that come to mind right now.
by jackdaw on 4/18/18, 6:57 AM
by always_good on 4/17/18, 3:06 PM