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Guanxi

by 5partan on 9/19/16, 10:49 PM with 101 comments

  • by hyh1048576 on 9/20/16, 12:20 AM

    As someone who was born and raised in China I just like to remind people that the real meaning of "guanxi" is a function of location and time. i.e. the real meaning of "guanxi" is different from 20 yrs ago to present, and the word has different meaning from small cities to big cities like Beijing and Shanghai, also it doesn't mean exactly the same thing from, say, southern China to north east China.

    In general in big cities "guanxi" plays a smaller role, while in small cities especially the underdeveloped ones it plays a bigger role, to the extent that even doing some fairly trivial business (or even things like getting a passport or going to hospital) needs you to have some "guanxi". By "needs one to have some 'guanxi'" I mean it's not impossible for one to do without "guanxi" but it's just way smoother and faster if you know someone who can help. That's also one of the reasons people prefer to live in big cities. It's just more fair for young people without acquaintances in every possible field. On the other hand, parents are more familiar with "guanxi".

    The existence of "guanxi" also makes people doubt if they have failed to lubricate some "guanxi" if they got rejected or failed for something (e.g. U.S. visa, or a reasonable exam) even if there are other reasons more likely to cause it.

    "guanxi" sometimes even helps one to pass the test for driver's license, oh a big facepalm to road security...

    (What I said above is not to confuse you guys, the wikipedia page is still worth reading though.)

  • by tantalor on 9/20/16, 12:06 AM

    Don Corleone: We have known each other many years, but this is the first time you've come to me for counsel or for help. I can't remember the last time you invited me to your house for a cup of coffee, even though my wife is godmother to your only child. But let's be frank here. You never wanted my friendship. And you feared to be in my debt.
  • by lunaru on 9/20/16, 5:47 AM

    For anyone confused and reading into it too much, it's really just a Chinese word for what is a universal behavior across all human societies.

    When Elon buys SolarCity and the CEO is his cousin, that's guanxi.

    When your boss gives a promotion to guy who plays golf with him, that's guanxi.

    When you give your buddy a referral to a job because he helped you out with yours, that's guanxi.

    It's a necessary social lubricant that also spawns nepotism, favoritism, cronyism, corruption, etc and can be found in every business large enough, especially the government.

    And unlike what some posters seem to think, it's not a Chinese-only thing. It's a universal thing that has a Chinese word that nicely refers to it, and thus more recognized in Chinese society.

  • by girzel on 9/20/16, 2:53 AM

    To what others have said here I'd add that, in my observation, the prevalence of guanxi is connected to a lack of fair, functioning, transparent social systems. You often need connections to get things done, because the existing systems (legal, administrative, etc) simply don't function. This could be anything from getting your kid into school, to being seen by a (competent) doctor, to protecting your company from frivolous, malicious legal action.

    I know plenty of Chinese people who are highly annoyed or disgusted by the necessity of cultivating guanxi, but know that they're not going to get what they're after otherwise.

  • by hueving on 9/20/16, 5:29 AM

    >In 2013, a CCP (Chinese Communist Party) official criticised the government officials for using public funds of over 10,000 yuan for banquets. This totals to approximately 48 billion dollars worth of banquets per year.

    Is it just me, or has the yuan significantly appreciated in value...?

  • by anhtran on 9/20/16, 2:19 AM

    This word in Vietnamese is `Quan hệ`. It's very close to China social. `Quan hệ` is important but you do not need to make a friend or a real relationship. For me it's just a little affected or cursory inside my mind.
  • by kev6168 on 9/20/16, 3:29 AM

    Extreme lack of trust between all entities (individuals and institutions) is the fundamental reason for the extreme guanxi phenomena in China. Practicing guanxi is for __survival__ in China, not merely for getting a better deal, as is often the case in developed countries. This is the difference those who have lived long enough both in China and other developed western countries can appreciate deeply.

    Chinese often try to sugarcoat guanxi. But to put it bluntly, it is for law/rule breaking or law/rule bending favors to acquaintances. Only because the Chinese have practiced it for millenniums as a daily surviving activities, just as eating and sleeping, the Chinese have forgotten that it's an ugly way of life. Guanxi in China is not a shameful matter _at all_, but a proud and face-boosting accomplishment which is often boasted in meetings and banquets, on social networks, and announced publicly and proudly to anybody as a show of strength.

    So, the absolute necessity of guanxi, the enormous amount of utilities, the glories associated with it, most people not grown up in China/Taiwan would find it impossible to play at China's extreme level.

    What's the secret source to crack guanxi in China? IMHO, it is this: always remind yourself __the lack of trust is at the core of the Chinese society__, and deduce from there. Law and law enforcement are not trustful, so you need to have friends in the government. Business contracts are not to be trusted at all, so constant monitoring and vigilance are absolute necessary during the entire business interaction with your Chinese partner, even though the contract signing ceremony was attended by high level governmental officials and announced on national newspapers! Doctors and nurses will probably give sloppy or delayed treatment because they are expecting money and gifts from you or your relatives before they treat you, if they are not in your guanxi network, so always work on your network to include someone in hospitals. Don't trust the law to punish the bad doctors for such cruelty, there is no such thing. You get the picture. Now anybody still say it's similar in developed western countries? :)

    So how to go about build guanxi in China? If you have overcome the unbearable loath on the whole matter and said to yourself, I am gonna play it all the way to fucking make it in China. My advice is, do what the Chinese do. The No.1 approach used by Chinese to build guanxi is to __inject fixed|irremovable elements into your relationship with someone__ if you want to guanxi that person. Such fixed|irremovable elements include things such as born in the same province, graduated from same school, served in the same division in the army, have worked in the same company(maybe at different time), related to each other by blood no matter how distant that is, basically anything that will not change for the rest of your life, and preferably the elements happened in the past, not recently, as history and time add a little seriousness and trustworthiness to it. In contrast, fickle things in relationships (in the eyes of the Chinese) are things such as your abilities and accomplishments, your credentials, social status, the promises made, member of the same club at this moment (this helps a bit but needed further enhancement), etc. Fire up your imagination and creativity to find out the fixed elements in guanxi, promote it, enhance it, and build from there.

  • by zem on 9/20/16, 12:44 AM

    i grew up in dubai, which had the very similar concept of "wasta". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasta
  • by gbraad on 9/20/16, 12:36 AM

    Guanxi is a concept that most foreigners will never completely grok. It is not only about relationship. Most foreigners call it even the G-word when spoken about. It is different how we see relationships being maintained. There is a lot more play and rituals involved.

    It differs how much it influences daily interactions, citywide or regionally. In Beijing it is noticeable in a lesser degree, but often is perceived by outsiders/foreigners as 'bribing' when a small present is involved.

    Edit: I do not mean anything bad. I have lived in Beijing, China for many years (married to a Chinese). Just some foreigners have more difficulty to understand this (as the reasoning why they call it the G-word). I hate to call this a 'cultural difference', as I believe it is mostly related to misunderstanding. This is all due to a different upbring, in a different environment (and receiving a different sense of what is common). This can often lead to misunderstandings as people perceive the actions in the wrong way. It might help to have a look at Cultural Dimensions [https://docs.com/gerard-braad/1061/cultural-dimensions-asia]. This explains some of the things involved. Just a translating it to 'relationship' does not mean it has the same meaning. Many words and concepts are different between cultures. TL;DR It is definitely not the negative words mentioned below. Just 'smoothing' a relationship which seems beneficial should not be seen as brown-nosing. Above; hyh1048576 explained it very well. People blame themselves if they got rejected for something... others might judge them as saying they haven't put enough 'effort' into it. When the relation seems beneficial, they will try to do something to 'smoothing' the relationship. But as mentioned, in Beijing this happens in a much lesser degree but not invisible.

  • by SZJX on 9/23/16, 1:17 PM

    I would say this is actually not something very specific to China or East Asia. People actually act like this all around the world, this is especially true in the US, where connections and background are important for a variety of things (even more so than in China), quid pro quo is a commonality, and interest coalitions are unbreakable and control everything. This is just how the human society work more or less at the current moment.
  • by RCortex on 9/20/16, 3:08 AM

    Simple questions:

    1) How do you build guanxi?

    2) How do you maintain guanxi?

    3) How is guanxi lost after it's been gained?

    4) Give me an example with two people where one has far more guanxi than another. How are they treated differently by the third party they have guanxi with? (No direct familial relation)

  • by userbinator on 9/20/16, 1:05 AM

    Here's an example of how it works in practice to create a very different environment for tech:

    https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=4297

  • by ekianjo on 9/20/16, 4:36 AM

    Guanxi is written as 関係, and in Japanese (読み方:かんけい) this means connection/relationship in a broad sense. I don't see anything special to this word or very specific to China at all.
  • by douche on 9/20/16, 12:52 AM

    Interesting, I wasn't aware of this meaning - just the geographical region and the post-Imperial Guangxi Clique warlord organizations[1]

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi_Clique