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Greenpeace raids the cloud

by shorbaji on 4/3/10, 6:09 PM with 12 comments

  • by jackowayed on 4/3/10, 9:51 PM

    What about all of the energy savings that computers bring us, Greenpeace?

    It's a lot more efficient to make a couple Google searches than to drive to the library.

    It's a lot more efficient to buy something on Amazon and have it delivered by UPS, which can combine trips like crazy, than to drive to the store--or possibly several stores--to buy it.

    It's a lot more efficient that I used Campfire as an integral part of working remotely last summer rather than if I had had to fly across the country for the job.

    Sure, it is still important to reduce energy consumption, and lots of computing doesn't directly replace more energy-intensive tasks (sending a tweet rather than ... driving to all of my friends' houses to tell them a very short message and then leave?), but computing has lead to lots of gains.

  • by jrockway on 4/4/10, 12:28 AM

    Centralizing computing is good, though. When you buy a PC, there is no real incentive for the manufacturer to care about efficiency. 200W vs. 300W is a few bucks a month for you and no bucks a month for them. So who cares.

    But when one entity is running all the powerful computers, then shaving off a few watts makes someone a lot of money. So they'll do it.

    As for the green issue... I think it's good that Greenpeace is reminding folks that just reducing the number of watts you use isn't enough. You need to get those watts from something renewable or clean; not coal. Otherwise you're still destroying the Earth... just not quite as quickly.

  • by eplanit on 4/4/10, 1:21 AM

    They (G'peace) would no doubt decry energy and resource consumption at factories were America ever to regain its much-missed and sorely-needed position as a thriving manufacturing economy.

    The posts below bring out good points. Energy use is not in itself evil. One must consider what good was done with the energy. Watt-for-watt, those server farms are doing a huge amount of work on behalf of people.

  • by warfangle on 4/3/10, 10:38 PM

    If the apple data center in NC is being built anywhere near the research triangle (and why wouldn't it?) - the electricityy is likely not coming from the coal plants but from Sharon Harris nuclear power plant.
  • by lionhearted on 4/4/10, 11:55 AM

    Do you know what would impress me a lot more than protesting? Lead by example.

    If Greenpeace and the rest of their ilk care enough, they should lead by example - announce that they'll no longer use cars, telephones, computers, heaters, air conditioners, or anything that was made by a process that also created pollution. No email, no internet, nothing more than riding on horseback to drop a letter made on hand made paper off. I think that would be good for them as an organization and good for the rest of the world.